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@cregox While comparing/contrasting NodeBB to other products can be healthy if the intention is to uplift the community or provide positive feedback/criticism; saying "NodeBB is doing it wrong because Discourse does it like this" is not really helpful for the community. Many forums implement a stricter ruleset on new users--it's a common trust system where respect is earned.
NodeBB is open source, and if you are not happy with it's current iteration feel free to fork it and change it to fit your personal needs.
Or if you are pleased with Discourse and prefer the direction their developers have taken, it too is open source.But the two products are very different--yes they solve the same issue but with very different personalities. I started with Discourse, ran a forum on it for a while, had lots of backend troubles and spam issues..finally moved to NodeBB and I've been happy with it. Do I miss things from Discourse? Sometimes. But I can't complain knowing that I have access to the source code and can change anything I want.
And if you are not technically inclined, I assume if you hosted your forum through NodeBB.org their development team would be more than happy to tweak your forum until it suits your personal needs.
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Well we (or at least I promise I do!) take UX problems seriously. Just please post on our GH tracker, and we will look into it as always
I know this is a plugin, but it's bundled with core so therefore we should care and make sure it works as best as it can.
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@psychobunny Mandrill isn't, actually. Maybe it was for a time, but we reversed that some time ago I guess!
In any case, while we still have a free plan on Mandrill, new users don't (since they changed their pricing last), so this pretty much means I no longer want to offer Mandrill as the official mail plugin.
Perhaps I'll look into adding this into Sendgrid...
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@julian Oh, thanks for making me aware. I've never noticed that Mandrill stopped offering free emails. I wish there was a better sollution for sending emails that was also partly free (Like Mandrills 12.000 free mails) & includes a inbox or 2.
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@psychobunny said:
Well we (or at least I promise I do!) take UX problems seriously. Just please post on our GH tracker, and we will look into it as always
I know this is a plugin, but it's bundled with core so therefore we should care and make sure it works as best as it can.
Maybe this is yet another thing to learn from discourse... Sorry if I cite them a lot, but I really love the job being done there. And I find nodeBB, despite the bad name (fixating on technology), a very promising fork of it IMHO!
They gave up on using GitHub issue tracker in favor of using the forums. Quite a while ago.
( Trying to post what you read above, I couldn't again... Got flagged by akismet again! Something is really wrong there! Clearing up cookies didn't help, had to remove the link and edit it back. )
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@cregox said in Unable to post, Akismet says my post is spam:
Maybe this is yet another thing to learn from discourse... Sorry if I cite them a lot, but I really love the job being done there. And I find nodeBB, despite the bad name (fixating on technology), a very promising fork of it IMHO!
As is well known, and as you were told in another thread, NodeBB is not a fork of another forum, and it doesn't share technology stack with Discourse.
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@cregox said in Unable to post, Akismet says my post is spam:
Sorry if I cite them a lot, but I really love the job being done there.
Aren't you a dev there? They list your avatar on their dev list.
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@cregox said in Unable to post, Akismet says my post is spam:
a very promising fork of it IMHO!
For those who aren't aware, Discourse is built on Ruby on Rails. NodeBB is built on NodeJS. Totally different languages, platforms, architectures, etc.
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@scottalanmiller said in Unable to post, Akismet says my post is spam:
@cregox said in Unable to post, Akismet says my post is spam:
Sorry if I cite them a lot, but I really love the job being done there.
Aren't you a dev there? They list your avatar on their dev list.
No they don’t. You misread that page
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@JaredBusch he misread a lot of things...
thanks for catching one!i would love to know how much things we all misread in this fashion, just plain wrong...
anyway, not only i'm not a dev there, i dropped it as a user because of jeff and all the disco censoring happening there.
it's all documented somewhere under the daily fuck (you must know this guys), and one day i'll write (and edit) more about it. cregox.net/discourse
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@JaredBusch said in Unable to post, Akismet says my post is spam:
@scottalanmiller said in Unable to post, Akismet says my post is spam:
@cregox said in Unable to post, Akismet says my post is spam:
Sorry if I cite them a lot, but I really love the job being done there.
Aren't you a dev there? They list your avatar on their dev list.
No they don’t. You misread that page
Yeah, someone sent that to me and I didn't read it closely enough. I apologize.
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@cregox said in Unable to post, Akismet says my post is spam:
@JaredBusch he misread a lot of things...
thanks for catching one!i would love to know how much things we all misread in this fashion, just plain wrong...
anyway, not only i'm not a dev there, i dropped it as a user because of jeff and all the disco censoring happening there.
it's all documented somewhere under the daily fuck (you must know this guys), and one day i'll write (and edit) more about it. cregox.net/discourse
That link still calls NodeBB a spin off from Discourse. It's a completely independent, unrelated forum. Direct competitors? Certainly. But in no way a spin off, fork, or the like.
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@scottalanmiller from my memory, discourse was the first of its kind. from googling around 5 or 10 minutes, all i could find was a wikipedia saying discourse was released in 2013 and surprisingly nothing about nodebb there (thus taking me more than the few expected seconds to dig that info) and nowhere else could i find a quick reliable data point... github doesn't make it easy to find the first commit or even release. but using "before:2014" i found many things in 2013 and nothing before that.
it would be a very pleasant surprise to discover discourse wasn't the first!
but i don't care enough to dig deeper right now.
what's more important now, though: why isn't nodebb even on https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Internet_forum_software or the talk page??
could it be due to the terrible name?
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@cregox Discourse was the first that really got the market going, mostly because they had money behind them. But I don't know that I'd call them first of any sort. They were a big improvement over say phpBB, but all of these forums are essentially bulletin board systems and while Discourse and NodeBB have some universally nice features, they aren't really new animals (new in 2013 at least) but just the current generation of something that's at least twenty years old (phpBB was 2000, and I was on forums like this in 1999.) Even Spiceworks, although not a publicly available platform, was Ruby on Rails and out in 2007 - and if I recall it forked someone else's code, but that I'm not sure of (it wasn't open so who knows.)
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@scottalanmiller i think my email reply won't come through like it would've on discourse.
their great email integration and proposition of replacing mailing list was a first, for instance. and, it looks like, they're still quite unique about it.
it's a remarkable feature. much more than they themselves give credit for. because people still undervalue the importance of backup.
wait for a covid19 equivalent to hit the internet...
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@baris thanks!
Wikipedia
Well then, first of all, I would like to point out that I've got nothing against Node.js nor NodeBB as some people like to claim here. I've been a Wikipedia ...
NodeBB Community (community.nodebb.org)
this does clear it up a lot.
but it's still from 2016!
no updates since then?!
so fringe...
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TBH I'd expect that now NodeBB could be considered "notable enough". Especially since there is some forum software that seems to be smaller there:
Thredded has a page an an entry in the comparison article, despite it having less media coverage (looking at news section in google, there is nothing, when there a few articles that at least mention NodeBB), and less stars and forks on GitHub.
There is actually a note that the article may not meet notability guidelines on the thredded page, but apparently it has been there since 2016 and other than one deletion that was contested nothing happened to it. Ironically, one of the links by the person contesting it is to a NodeBB instance
I'd say the same about Syndie, though I can't be sure because I find a lot of articles about a lot of things, but not the forum software. And also - its last release was in 2016...
Beehive Forum has mostly dead links and 2 of 5 external references are just sites that were using Beehive. 3 others are about one vulnerability...So, I think that unless editors personal feelings would affect their work or they want to wipe a few other pages about forum software (if that's the case, then sorry to these projects!), NodeBB is notable enough by Wikipedia standards by now.
There is even a book mentioning NodeBB now: Node.js Design Patterns (There are actually a few, but this one is relevant and gives some information about NodeBB - not just mentions it).Though I think the problem of NodeBB and other forum software is that... There is very little news outlets might talk about. Unless there is some big vulnerability or something, it's just usually nothing newsworthy. So there is a lot of things like tutorials for NodeBB, but very little "news coverage".
Oh well, I might give writing a new Wikipedia article a shot, though I'm not very experienced with Wikipedia and I think I might have an oversourcing problem (that is, last time I edited a Wikipedia article I removed half of the sources I added before publishing the changes, because no one needs a source every sentence where one is more than sufficient...)
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@oplik0 the fact that we are mentioned in the book is actually huge. It does mean that we've been published in some form or another, and that does meet Wikipedia's notability guidelines!
Here's where I become super lazy and say that you should write the article, even if it's just a stub, or lower quality. Reason being, I am not allowed to write an article myself, because I made NodeBB
