Tags for posts in addition to topics
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Over at mangolass.it (managed by @scottalanmiller) we have long had problems with search just completely sucking.
Has anyone ever looked into the feasibility of adding the ability to have tags on individual posts and not just on topics?
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@JaredBusch what search plugin are you using?
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ML uses DB Search. We switched to Solr long ago, but everyone had the same complaints and it didn't fix anything. When Solr totally died on us we went back to DB Search and while it has been terrible, it was better than Solr was. Is there another option that we should consider?
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Tags on posts could be pretty useful, I agree.
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@scottalanmiller said in Tags for posts in addition to topics:
Tags on posts could be pretty useful, I agree.
With the way some topics change course midstream tags on post would be awesome over there.
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Oh yes , please post based tags!
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Bumping this topic!
This would be a super useful feature for us who use NodeBB forum for storytelling purposes. In our forum, each topic is almost like a diary, and each post of those topics can be about totally different subjects. Tags to posts would make following different story lines so much easier for our readers.
We recently moved from phpbb3 to NodeBB, and post-based tags is literally the only feature I miss about our old forum. I really hope this feature will be added to NodeBB.
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I think overall this is a great idea... We, as well, can utilize this kind of function...
Just to add a little bit more, and expand the perspective... I believe nodebb tagging system should be updated to include hashtags as well...
I think @Andrea-Dragotta made this plugin:
It replaces tags system in NodeBB, and does search with the hashtag. I think it would be great if NodeBB adopts modern hashtag tags where hashtags can be written anywhere in the text and turn blue, and can be searched as tags.
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@crazycells Hehe you're not actually that far off the mark.
I think it would be great if NodeBB adopts modern hashtag tags where hashtags can be written anywhere in the text and turn blue, and can be searched as tags.
One of our clients, Walton's Meatgistics forum sponsored exactly this plugin:
https://www.npmjs.com/package/nodebb-plugin-hashtags
It does say it's a "premium" plugin, but that is actually not the case. It's an open plugin now
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@julian No, no, no!! Hashtags are for IRC channels! Always have been. On the 'net, anyways....
I have thought about the tagging thing on and off a few times over the course of using NodeBB. At first I missed the absence of tagging individual posts. Figuring that the NodeBB crew were smarter than the average bears, I figured they must have some reason or another figured for omitting such. Alas, the only thing I could figure was "tag pollution". Kind of like too many chefs spoil the broth kind of deal, too many tags, and perhaps ensuing gamification thereof by those desperate for attention/upvotes could result in them becoming essentially useless. Herding cats, entropy always increases, etc. Substitute whatever analogy floats yer' boats.
Forums excel at promoting long running, in depth conversations. Too many distractions are deriguer for the "ADD Generation". Hence, while I can see how hashtags would be an asset for something like Twitter, I wonder about posts wh/actually contain some meat, rather than just a bunch of "me too's" pointing to various other "me too's". Hmm...
So we should ask ourselves; "What purpose do tags actually serve? What itch do they scratch?". I think not many, actually, other than one: A quick substitute for lame and/or non existent search functionality. Maybe another side benefit for the lazy would be that tags are amenable to "clickery" driven UI's. This revelation then begs the question of how many new things we might invent to solve "problems" supposedly already solved by other previously invented "solutions". And maybe, just maybe, rather than proliferating yet another new thang... we should focus on improving the original thang that was supposed to solve these issues: Search that works? And what would that look like?
Hmm... just a bit of thought food here for inquiring minds....
P.S.; Not meaning to disparage anyone's efforts here but rather stimulate further discussion.
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@crazycells said in Tags for posts in addition to topics:
I think overall this is a great idea... We, as well, can utilize this kind of function...
Just to add a little bit more, and expand the perspective... I believe nodebb tagging system should be updated to include hashtags as well...
I think @Andrea-Dragotta made this plugin:
It replaces tags system in NodeBB, and does search with the hashtag. I think it would be great if NodeBB adopts modern hashtag tags where hashtags can be written anywhere in the text and turn blue, and can be searched as tags.
I still believe that hash-tag system should be the default tagging system in NodeBB.... posts and topics should be able tagged with #hashtag and be able to searched as tags...
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@crazycells I was working on this idea back in 2021, only as a concept. I've got to my notes to see, I called it:
Hyper Tags
You might prefer HyperHash-Tags or Hyper-text-Hash-tags, but with Hyper Tags I more elements could be tagged. I generated this idea a from another project for specific note taking use cases that I was working on back in 2017, that never got finished, yet more recently I've seen it implemented in some way in other apps too more recently and i never saw this topic either, first time today.
I was also thinking about social search or more correctly recall issues and titled my musings
Search Functions - Through the Dimension of time.
Here where the potential tag levels and tangible elements for HypterTags in NodeBB
T1) Categories
T2) Topics
T3) Posts
T4) Paragraphs / lines / words
T5) Images
T6) Attachments
T7) UsersMaybe categories is one level too high but for the sake of completeness of the concept, it's included.
I was also think a C1, C2 etc. levels for custom tags for users, to help their own curation would be a neat thing. Tags relaly help organise in an inter-dimensional way and I do believe engages more efficiently how we recall information, working in sympathy rather than imposing a rigid structure (it's great to have both), think about those peopel who work on memory, they associate an image, a journey and then maybe an object to a piece of information and all of this gives them super memory recall, tags can work somewhat like that.
Rigid Vs Fluid
Structure Vs TagsCreates a searchable dynamic
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@jazmc said in Tags for posts in addition to topics:
Bumping this topic!
This would be a super useful feature for us who use NodeBB forum for storytelling purposes. In our forum, each topic is almost like a diary, and each post of those topics can be about totally different subjects. Tags to posts would make following different story lines so much easier for our readers.
We recently moved from phpbb3 to NodeBB, and post-based tags is literally the only feature I miss about our old forum. I really hope this feature will be added to NodeBB.
this is very close to my own use case and journey to the same conclusion that tags would really do something special.
How did I not see this topic!
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@omega said in Tags for posts in addition to topics:
yet more recently I've seen it implemented in some way in other apps too more recently
publicly available apps? I would like to check it...
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C crazycells referenced this topic on
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Hi @crazycells ... your post in the other topic reminded me of this
https://github.com/nodebb/nodebb-plugin-hashtags
It is likely still compatible, @baris updated it for v3.x already. It literally does exactly what you want: allows you to use #hashtags in posts, and they get added to the
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hi @julian , unfortunately, this issue from very past with this plugin continues with 3.7.1...
https://github.com/NodeBB/nodebb-plugin-hashtags/issues/163
searching a tag does not show any result, and tag list is still empty... adding a tag does not fix the numbers...
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this is how it looks when the plugin is disabled:
and this is how it looks when the plugin is enabled:
I have just tried creating new topics with tags, however it doesn't affect anything... Can you please check the plugin one more time when you have a spare time? Thanks in advance.
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@crazycells pretty sure enabling the plugin doesn't automatically crawl all previous posts for hashtags, that'd be a very expensive process.
It likely starts to catalogue new hashtags as they are posted.
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@julian said in Tags for posts in addition to topics:
@crazycells pretty sure enabling the plugin doesn't automatically crawl all previous posts for hashtags, that'd be a very expensive process.
It likely starts to catalogue new hashtags as they are posted.
I understand that, but unfortunately it is still not working... I create new topics with new hashtags and old hashtags... nothing changes... all the tags have 0 topics, and when I click on the tag, it says "there are no topics with this tag." although I have created one topic...
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I have just seen another person having the same issue...
https://github.com/NodeBB/NodeBB/issues/12395
and it looks like he is seeing numbers when he searches tags, and he is right, the numbers can be seen when the tag is searched, but when clicked, it still returns error and says "there are no topics with this tag."...
