Using CloudFlare with NodeBB
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@hek said in Using CloudFlare with NodeBB:
Recommendation
Do NOT use cloudflare (at least not the free plan) on NodeBB when you have a moderate traffic to your forum. Cloudflare seems to silently throttle the traffic resulting in very strange NodeBB behaviour (for some clients) where the simply cut websockets.
The throttled client will see a lot of popups "Looks like your connection to XXX Forum was lost, please wait while we try to reconnect."
In the ngnix error log you will also see lots of:
2017/01/25 09:56:15 [error] 13909#13909: *799654 upstream timed out (110: Connection timed out) while reading response header from upstream, client: xxxxxxxxxxxx.123, server: forum.mysensors.org, request: "GET /socket.io/?EIO=3&transport=polling&t=xxxxx&sid=xxxxxxxxx HTTP/1.1", upstream: "http://127.0.0.1:4568/socket.io/?EIO=3&transport=polling&t=xxxx&sid=xxxxxxx", host: "forum.mysensors.org", referrer: "https://forum.mysensors.org/topic/702/openhab-mqtt-example/2"It has been kind of hellish to find the root cause.
I wonder if anyone was able to find a solution to this? Or is the recommendation still not using NodeBB with CloudFare?
We recently started to use CloudFare (before seeing this topic) and it looks like when the forum traffic is high, we keep losing the connection to the forum, which never happened before CloudFare.
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@crazycells personally, I believe this to be true. CF will land up causing more issues then it sets out to "resolve".
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@phenomlab @crazycells That is very weird, we used to recommend against using CF, but then found that the more egregious issues had been resolved.
I will say that if you're using any of their caching technologies (e.g. rocket loader, etc.) then you might see issues where the incorrect cached file may be sent to the wrong users.
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@crazycells said in Using CloudFlare with NodeBB:
We recently started to use CloudFare (before seeing this topic) and it looks like when the forum traffic is high, we keep losing the connection to the forum, which never happened before CloudFare.
I too am experiencing the same issue. Constant disconnects and a ton of socket.io errors. Disabled CF (just for DNS now) and everything is back to normal!
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@phenomlab Yeah, unfortunately, we could not find any solution, although we worked on this for quite some time...
Then, to have cancer-free life, we gave up on CloudFlare...
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@crazycells said in Using CloudFlare with NodeBB:
Then, to have cancer-free life, we gave up on CloudFlare...
Which is exactly what I have just done, and now zero issues.
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@phenomlab said in Using CloudFlare with NodeBB:
@crazycells said in Using CloudFlare with NodeBB:
Then, to have cancer-free life, we gave up on CloudFlare...
Which is exactly what I have just done, and now zero issues.
and everyone lived happily ever after...
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Strange to have issues with CloudFlare/nodeBB
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@phenomlab Cloudflare Free plans have a 100ish max connections from what I remember to/from WebSocket's. I believe you can submit a support request with Cloudflare to up it to something more but I can't remember all the details. But basically what it comes down to is Cloudflare can't cache that data, and in some applications WebSocket's sends a ton of data which costs quite a bit of bandwidth on Cloudflare's side so they try to avoid it on the free plans by restricting the max number of connections.
Edit: https://developers.cloudflare.com/support/network/using-cloudflare-with-websockets/
Based on some general reports it looks like the Pro plan gives 5x the number of WebSocket connections over the Free plan, and a similar increase from Pro to Business.
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@tankerkiller125 yes, I read the same article, and they keep revising it. The problem I find is that the disconnects are always socket based, and as a result, the transactional artefact is that notifications don't materialise which can be quite frustrating.
Since no longer using Cloudflare (only in a DNS capacity) proxy, this issue has resolved itself. Cloudflare DNS really does excel and takes some beating, but the "free" plan has a lot of limitations. I've also never been keen on running all of my traffic through one central location as a proxy, so I'm not sorry to be parting company.
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@julian thanks, although I think this will exhibit the same issues based on limits imposed in the free plan. In my testing, CF was also actually slowing down my site, and since disabling it, the site is noticeably faster.
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I'm using CloudFlare in its Free Plan and I'm facing a lot of sowket errors (wss, 400, ...) especially since v3.
@julian
Is this solution still viable? does it solve its problems and can you continue to use CF.@julian said in Using CloudFlare with NodeBB:
@phenomlab if there are those who are using cloudflare, we do have it in our roadmap to eventually deprecate socket.io and use socket sent events instead.
And how long is this in your roadmap? still relevant ?
Thanks
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@DownPW my thoughts here based on the Sudonix discussion
https://sudonix.org/topic/550/nodebb-socket-with-cloudflare/2
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It seems strange to me that the sockets traffic constantly reaches the maximum allowed by CF's free plan, even if this maximum fluctuates according to the requests. Because sometimes it happens when there are 30-40 users connected. I find that surprising. You could almost think that sockets are a bit too persistent and don't close well.
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@DownPW I'm interested to know if there is any improvement if you disable the shoutbox plugin?
If you consider what this plugin does, it would be interesting to see if this has an impact on socket connections.
