What's next after v3?
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@julian said in What's next after v3?:
I'm not lying when I say that probably 95% of the DOM manipulation code in NodeBB uses a jQuery function. We cut our teeth on it and while we're more than adept with vanilla js now, it's going to be a rather tough transition.
Maybe as part of a phased approach it would be worth looking into
GitHub - fabiospampinato/cash: An absurdly small jQuery alternative for modern browsers.
An absurdly small jQuery alternative for modern browsers. - fabiospampinato/cash
GitHub (github.com)
It would drop legacy browser support immediately (although I'm not sure that's really a problem) but also have the benefits of being a drop in replacement for jQuery so for the most part people probably wouldn't need to update their extensions much if at all. While still being much smaller than jQuery.
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As someone who has experience with a ton of forums(Discourse, Xenforo, vBulletin, Flarum) and other community apps like Discord, Slack etc, I believe the future of forums look something like https://circle.so.
I believe NodeBB would benefit a lot from learning from them! The idea is to not limit your user to one type of interaction but a modular system that allows one to communicate how they like and to adapt to all sorts of use cases where the sky is the limit(made easier with UI-based configuration and the option for custom HTML/JS/CSS when needed). For example, one wanting to make a cooking community would have a gallery view page for recipes that open lightboxes into the recipes, if they have a job board, one could use the gallery view or a minimal list view(no post counts etc), if they want real-time chat to talk about anything related to food, there's that option too. Feed view being another. Members-only pages where you have to login and many more.
Facebook does this quite well. By this, I mean the option to turn your Page into a multi-functional space where people could do more than just chat.
I'm aware that many of these features exist in the form of plugins, sometimes poorly coded or barely maintained. I'm thinking of a more built-in approach that is designed with so much modularity that it would not require plugins for the simplest things yet still being easy for the dev team to handle. NodeBB 3 and Harmony is awesome, and is probably my favourite of all forum software even compared to Discourse and Flarum but if you could push it in this direction I'm suggesting, I think it can be the leading software.
One good example of circle.so being well used is https://www.framer.community
If forums don't want to be made obsolete by software like Discord, I think it's the way to go.
Cheers!
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I think a Circle, Bettermode (ex Tribe) this is a primitive plagiarism of the open source Forem project (https://dev.to) and it seems to me that this is not the best idea to overload the forum (along with the server) with unnecessary functions like (video conferences, calls, streams, coupons).
The forum involves discussion, and the projects above are more focused on the article/blog format.
I think you can extend the functionality of the Harmony theme by adding an "articles mode" that can be enabled in your account settings or directly on the recent/category pages.
In this mode, show topics in the form of beautiful cards (automatically add a preview from the first image in the topic, show part of the text from the first post for a short description of the article (topic), rating and author's avatar/reputation... like this:
оr add this option on category settings in ACP, and users can view topics in "articles mode" only in Blog category, so if you want create a disscusion use other categories, if you want create a beauty article like on blog platform, use a Blog category.
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@brazzerstop said in What's next after v3?:
...it seems to me that this is not the best idea to overload the forum (along with the server) with unnecessary functions like (video conferences, calls, streams, coupons).
Yes: "Jack of all trades, master of none."
It almost seems like a confusion of a website with the web itself. I don't want one website to do every single thing. I go to different websites for different purposes. If a website has no specific purpose, but tries to cater to all purposes, then it effectively ceases to have purpose and direction.
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@crazycells said in What's next after v3?:
@julian you would know that better, but I always thought that this will be the main way to enter a website, rather than a 2FA.
At least, this is what Apple, Google and Microsoft are trying to achieve: https://www.theverge.com/2023/5/3/23709318/google-accounts-passkey-support-password-2fa-fido-security-phishing
Here is a demo website, and I see "Sign in with a passkey" button. I believe this is what a lot of websites will use it for: https://www.passkeys.io/
Just to remind the passkey...
https://www.engadget.com/passkeys-passwords-authentication-security-133024414.html
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@crazycells so many cool things to do; so little time
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🧵Just thinking about Meta going Fediverse with Threads soon, and how sweet it would be if I could be sure that nodebb will do the same. They just opened up the Panama Canal if you’re willing to connect, pretty please.
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@Scott-Baker said in What's next after v3?:
🧵Just thinking about Meta going Fediverse with Threads soon, and how sweet it would be if I could be sure that nodebb will do the same.
There is a lot of interest in this, for sure.
Not wanting to be Mr Pessimist, (and I would be delighted to be proved wrong) - But I think its a huge project actually.
I did run a Mastodon server for a while, and it required a lot of resources as it scales.Maybe a limited defined scope for the next step in Fediverse progress would make a more reachable goal?
I have a couple of ideas, but I don't know how far along the Nodebb Devs are on any plans on this, or if its still at the suggestion level? -
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@julian said in What's next after v3?:
I've said it there and I'll say it here. NodeBB will follow the ActivityPub spec and, if possible, will be tested against both Flarum and Discourse integrations because doing so makes federated forums a force to be reckoned with.
This is good. More and more development efforts too are focusing so little on the Mastodon API and instead focusing on the actual standards - S2S & C2S as they should.
Building Federation for the Fediverse is of paramount consideration, while making sure one federates with a single Fediverse platform whose significance is waning as the bellweather for social communications. Even entire Mastodon communities have left that platform and migrated en masse to other, more capable platforms - some outright forks like Glitch-Soc or Hometown, and many more to other more promising Fediverse platforms that have enjoyed greater adoption due to their more accommodating utility for their userbases.
In the End, it's not really about communities built on an instance and provided to the user base - it's about users across the entire #Fediverse building communities that span the myriad platforms and instances; especially as smolweb / smallweb and single user platforms continue to build critical mass in terms of installed instances.
#Friendica, being one of the great-grandaddy's of, and staples in, the Fediverse, is a great platform chosen by many projects to effectively represent the branding, marketing, and social communications needs - blogs, announcements, changelogs, newsletters, and public dialog... Things a limited microblogging software cannot deliver.
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@crazycells you can use a passkey as a second factor, unless passkeys aren't authn
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@julian I think it is working as password and two-factor replacement...
I save passkeys in my 1password application, I click "sign-in with passkey" on the screen, and then click 1password and log-in to my account without inputting email, password and 2FA (normally I would input all three)...
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@julian said in What's next after v3?:
@crazycells you can use a passkey as a second factor, unless passkeys aren't authn
they are - the new thing is making them less hardware-dependant (integration with OS/third party keyrings allowing for moving them between devices).
The idea however is that now that the major UX issues are being solved, they can actually become password replacement and not just a second factor (again - this was actually possible and occasionally implemented with security keys, it's just that now that the buy-in and carrying the device isn't problematic when it's your phone, pc or even password manager across devices, more companies started pushing for this).
I personally don't think the UX is quite there yet (as a physical security key user, Windows UX has gotten worse with an additional pop-up, and in Firefox I now have to get through 3 pop-ups before I can log in because Bitwarden is getting in on the game too), but I guess it's good enough to get it out there now and the kinks can be worked out along the way.
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@oplik0 call me jaded, but I can't wait for the day I try to log in with a passkey, and am then challenged with an email one time code, followed by a captcha.
I think our accounting software has two ways to log in, via password or via SMS. If you click SMS, it'll send you a code, and once entered it will prompt you for a password... If you try to log in via password it'll send you an SMS code for security
I am aware. This is just a friendly reminder so that NodeBB can continue to be the platform for the cool kids with the newest features 
