Need freelancer with Nodebb experience
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@scottalanmiller
Doesn't fare well for users with GitHub accounts then. "You post code there for free, I'll take some too!!!" -
@a_5mith said:
Didn't understand your point about they way, how 40$/h can cost same as 95$/h. Only thing it came to my mind is time delivery, which play role in my situation, but i would rather wait instead to get charged double.
Time delivery is exactly my point. It could take a member of NodeBB 2 hours to do the work you requested. Yet it could take someone else 5 or 6 hours to do the same thing. Have a read through this website and you will see exactly what freelancers go through every day.
And quality. At $40/hr you are going to have a high schooler writing your plugins (no offense to any high schoolers in the community) and not programming professionals. Who knows what security holes or functionality gaps or other problems will likely arise if they even manage to finish the project.
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I would honestly recommend, as a long time professional consultant, that the NodeBB team raise their rates. Check out SpiceWorks (the largest online IT community) and search on people asking about how to set rates. Consistently people talk about the necessary ratios for survival and what it takes to make the time worth the money. Lots of shops moving from <$100/hr to ~$150/hr actually see an increase in work, not a decrease, because below $100 people wonder what's wrong that you can work so cheaply.
Or post on MangoLassi, a NodeBB IT site, and ask. NTG's Managing Director is on there daily and will provide a lot of insight into price structuring for consulting and how to determine rates. She is based not that far from the NodeBB guys (but on the US side) and is used to running a consulting firm that works internationally.
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@scottalanmiller I've always wanted to get into consultancy or project management. Seems like a really exciting area to be involved in. Keep finding myself stuck in development though.
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@scottalanmiller I understand how its workts just didnt want to go in details it was just rough example . I mean, that was not even the point.
Still like i said i dont need kind of "schooled pro" who charge like he work in google. There are lot of young people who are willing to work for reasonable amount of money and in same time to do what he like and learn more stuff.
If i ever have company, it would not be problem to hire expensive i can say "pro" developer, but right now it's kind of strugling with what i can afford.
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's low because they are doing this out of passion and are only asking for enough money to keep the lights on and are doing the work as a favor by and large.
heh. I work with lights off
EDIT: but yes, somebody has to pay for my coffees and booze
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@kinderjaje said:
There are lot of young people who are willing to work for reasonable amount of money and in same time to do what he like and learn more stuff.
Due to differentiations in the economy between the east and west, what you call reasonable, and what I call reasonable, will differ massively. Take psychobunny up on his offer, let him know what you need and ask for a timeframe to completion, if it's an hour or 3, it will come in under budget, and be a solid product.
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@a_5mith said:
Due to differentiations in the economy between the east and west, what you call reasonable, and what I call reasonable, will differ massively.
This is so true cost of living varies greatly between countries. Toronto so expensive
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@kinderjaje said:
Still like i said i dont need kind of "schooled pro" who charge like he work in google. There are lot of young people who are willing to work for reasonable amount of money and in same time to do what he like and learn more stuff.
If i ever have company, it would not be problem to hire expensive i can say "pro" developer, but right now it's kind of strugling with what i can afford.Yeah, what's a "reasonable" price to you? Throw me a valuation of what you think this project is worth and at what price are you willing to pay. I'm curious...
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trevor Plugin & Theme Dev Anime Lovers GNU/Linuxreplied to scottalanmiller on last edited by trevor
These guys charge so little yet their work is pretty damn good quality with outstanding results and not to mention they do meet deadlines. Sorry to put you out here, but @baris did some work for me recently, it wasn't much but still, its the fact that he charged me standard rate, it took ~1 hour, it was quality work, not the type of work you get from offshore firms (and you know what I mean by offshore so I shouldn't have to explain that in detail), with excellent communication, delivered with updates (shows he cares about his client as the whole team does) and I am happy with the results.
So I'll say this to you @kinderjaje, find me someone who will charge under 95$ an hour with quality work, bug fixes (updates), excellent communication, and delivered in mission critical times. It seems to me like you want something cheaply thrown together with duct tape and paper clips. Obviously money is the issue and if you don't have it and are serious about starting your own business, find a way to get the funds for it - whether it be a kickstarter, donations, sponsors, etc.
All in all, you pay for what you get. I feel that you think you're being ripped off as well just because of what you typed and how you typed it. Well I'll say you're not by far.
Good luck on finding that special dev.
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@a_5mith said:
@scottalanmiller I've always wanted to get into consultancy or project management. Seems like a really exciting area to be involved in. Keep finding myself stuck in development though.
I've spent the bulk of my career consulting. There is a lot of upside to it. Very exciting, career moves fast. I like the lifestyle.
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@scottalanmiller -Would be interested to hear how you got started and how you gain new clients some time. I'm tempted to give it a go.
I've spent long enough as a developer to know what's good and what's not. Who to work with an who not to etc, -
@scottalanmiller Thanks for your thoughts (17 days ago!
oops) on the subject of our pricing. As some have surmised, we're charging the rate we charge because we love what we do, though we could charge more because we're three of a very small set of users who can easily work with the NodeBB code 
We also want to encourage more stuff, whether it be plugins, themes, or updates to the core, and so that's why we're encouraging all of our clients to open source plugins that they sponsor development for
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@a_5mith said:
@scottalanmiller -Would be interested to hear how you got started and how you gain new clients some time. I'm tempted to give it a go.
I've spent long enough as a developer to know what's good and what's not. Who to work with an who not to etc,I really just sort of fell into it long ago. Ended up doing some consulting engagements to pay some bills and ended up liking the constant change. Ended up with an internal IT department that split away from its parent to become a consulting firm - first in software then in IT. Started in the US and have offices in the UK now too. Now I've been doing it for so long, it is hard to imagine much else
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I would not recommend working with this person, he'll just decide that he doesn't need what you're working on anymore. While already working at a very, very low rate, even refuses to pay out a single penny for the work you've already put in it. Do not accept any work from him.
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@Schamper said:
I would not recommend working with this person, he'll just decide that he doesn't need what you're working on anymore. While already working at a very, very low rate, even refuses to pay out a single penny for the work you've already put in it. Do not accept any work from him.
You're entitled to the money you've already quoted, whether they use the work or not. Would be interested to hear what @Jelena thinks about this, as it's her partner who requested the work. I too have helped them both out on their project, and for them to mess around a respected member of the community isn't right. I helped knowing I wasn't going to be paid. But for them to accept your terms and not pay because they don't need what you've done isn't right.
Did you have any form of contractual signage?
This needs addressing, if you've written off the payment, then that's your decision, but we need to do come up with a solution to this so it doesn't happen again. Either payment up front, or at the very minimum a deposit for the work to commence with the full amount due on completion before any work is handed over.
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Sorry to hear about that. Definitely ask for an advance next time, you're a well-respected person here so there should be no reason why someone would distrust you
Was your work something that could be useful for the rest of the community (ex. plugin)? If it's something cool I wouldn't mind giving you a little something out of my own pocket for you to release it
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@julian @psychobunny just 5 more seconds, jeeze.
Took the words out of my ...text, advancement shows trust. -
you type too slow
