Honestly, if you’re in the US, please vote.

[tchambers@indieweb.social]

@Gargron Thanks for posting this, Eugen!

[baconandcoconut@freeradical.zone]

@gwm @WAHa_06x36 There's a lot of space between "intermittently beholden to some corporate interests" and "we won't have elections anymore and will violently round up our political adversaries." Neither is ideal but one is clearly better.

[gwm@mastodon.social]

@baconandcoconut @WAHa_06x36 For me, support for genocide is a red line I am unwilling to cross.

[waha_06x36@mastodon.social]

@gwm @baconandcoconut Understood, and it sucks that you do not get a good choice on that, but, that's it: You don't get a good choice on that.

Trump is *much worse* on that than Harris, and a vote for Jill Stein helps only Trump.

[gwm@mastodon.social]

@WAHa_06x36 @baconandcoconut My vote for Jill Stein will not help Donald Trump in any way.

[waha_06x36@mastodon.social]

@gwm @baconandcoconut I struggle to believe you are actually so naïve that you believe this.

[gwm@mastodon.social]

@WAHa_06x36 @baconandcoconut A vote for Jill Stein does not add to any other candidate's vote tally.

[benroyce@mastodon.social]

@gwm @WAHa_06x36 @baconandcoconut

duverger's law:

in a #fptp #voting system (the #usa), a vote for a 3rd party hurts the candidate closer to your beliefs, and rewards the candidate furthest from you

a vote for #jillstein is a vote for #trump

you may not like that, but that is the truth of the #american voting system

we need #rankedchoicevoting #rcv, then we can vote our conscience and not bullshit strategy

read, educate yourself, and stop with the ignorant lies:

Duverger's law - Wikipedia

(en.wikipedia.org)

[gwm@mastodon.social]

@benroyce @WAHa_06x36 @baconandcoconut I'm not ignorant, nor have I lied.

[benroyce@mastodon.social]

@gwm @WAHa_06x36 @baconandcoconut

you're voting for #trump if you vote for #jillstein

so you are either lying, and you know it, and you are a troll supporting trump with manipulative disinfo

or you are lying, and you don't know it, and you are an ignorant fool supporting trump unwillingly

this is not my opinion nor an empty insult

this is the objective truth of the broken ass #american #FPTP #voting system

learn it

and stop lying

#election2024 #harris

[gwm@mastodon.social]

@benroyce @WAHa_06x36 @baconandcoconut A vote for Jill Stein is a vote for Jill Stein, not for Donald Trump.

And there are good reasons to vote for her (if, as I do, you support her policy positions), even though she is not going to win this election. This is so because if Stein garners 5% of the national vote, the Green Party will qualify for federal funding, helping to establish a viable alternative to the duopoly for future elections.

[benroyce@mastodon.social]

@gwm @WAHa_06x36 @baconandcoconut

"A vote for Jill Stein is a vote for Jill Stein, not for Donald Trump."

you need education

the #USA #voting system is #FPTP

this means only 2 parties can dominate, and 3rd party votes only serve as a spoiler. against the candidate closer to you, and for the candidate furthest from you

#duvergerslaw

did you read it?

read it:

Duverger's law - Wikipedia

(en.wikipedia.org)

why do you insist on pushing ignorant lies to help trump win, lying troll?

[benroyce@mastodon.social]

@gwm @WAHa_06x36 @baconandcoconut

"helping to establish a viable alternative to the duopoly for future elections"

there will be no viable third parties in the *current* american voting system

ever

because of duverger's law

it isn't smoke filled rooms and corruption and dominance

it's math:

the usa is a fptp voting system

to get viable 3rd parties, which i want, we need ranked choice voting

*then* you can vote your conscience and not tedious strategy

do you understand?

stop lying

[gwm@mastodon.social]

@benroyce @WAHa_06x36 @baconandcoconut It is possible in the American system for an old party to die (e.g. the Whigs) and a new party to emerge (e.g. the Republican Party).

[benroyce@mastodon.social]

@gwm @WAHa_06x36 @baconandcoconut

yes, galaxy brain political science professor: *one party replaced another*

and then continued on with the two parties taking positions on either side of a divide to win

so the green party could replace the democratic party

and then the green party just acts like the old dead democratic party to win

aka, nothing changes

to have viable 3rd parties in the usa, you need to change the voting system: ranked choice voting

please indicate that you understand

[gwm@mastodon.social]

@benroyce @WAHa_06x36 @baconandcoconut I support ranked choice voting. So does the Green Party. The Democratic and Republican Parties both oppose it.

[amoshias@esq.social]

@gwm @benroyce @WAHa_06x36 @baconandcoconut right.

And if you want that to happen, you know what to do?

VOTE FOR DEMOCRATS. Up and down the ticket. Because parties die when they stop being competitive in heads-up races.

If both Democrats and Republicans bleed 10% nothing changes. Because that's how our system works.

If all of a sudden Democrats are consistently a 70% party, THAT'S when what you are talking about happens - the Republican party will be replaced.

[mourioche@mastodon.social]

@benroyce @gwm @WAHa_06x36 @baconandcoconut I use mastodon with Firefox, and for each message in other language than mine (french), i can click a button to translate the message; using deepl.
Here is a screenshot of your message, and how it is translated.

The first sentence is completly wrong.
i'd be very interested to know where this fanciful translation comes from.

[whknott@mastodon.social]

@benroyce @gwm @WAHa_06x36 @baconandcoconut Actually, what we need is not ranked choice voting but a parliamentary system if we wish to see more viable parties. There has to be a way for small parties to compromise, unite, and form a ruling government. Continuing with anything that looks like what we have now is polishing a turd.

[gwm@mastodon.social]

@Mourioche @benroyce @WAHa_06x36 @baconandcoconut Moi aussi! C'est drôle, ça!