Honestly, if you’re in the US, please vote.
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Dag Ågren ↙︎↙︎↙︎replied to George Maschke last edited by
@gwm @baconandcoconut Understood, and it sucks that you do not get a good choice on that, but, that's it: You don't get a good choice on that.
Trump is *much worse* on that than Harris, and a vote for Jill Stein helps only Trump.
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George Maschkereplied to Dag Ågren ↙︎↙︎↙︎ last edited by
@WAHa_06x36 @baconandcoconut My vote for Jill Stein will not help Donald Trump in any way.
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Dag Ågren ↙︎↙︎↙︎replied to George Maschke last edited by
@gwm @baconandcoconut I struggle to believe you are actually so naïve that you believe this.
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George Maschkereplied to Dag Ågren ↙︎↙︎↙︎ last edited by
@WAHa_06x36 @baconandcoconut A vote for Jill Stein does not add to any other candidate's vote tally.
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Ben Royce 🇺🇸🇺🇦 Don't Boo: Votereplied to George Maschke last edited by
@gwm @WAHa_06x36 @baconandcoconut
duverger's law:
in a #fptp #voting system (the #usa), a vote for a 3rd party hurts the candidate closer to your beliefs, and rewards the candidate furthest from you
a vote for #jillstein is a vote for #trump
you may not like that, but that is the truth of the #american voting system
we need #rankedchoicevoting #rcv, then we can vote our conscience and not bullshit strategy
read, educate yourself, and stop with the ignorant lies:
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George Maschkereplied to Ben Royce 🇺🇸🇺🇦 Don't Boo: Vote last edited by
@benroyce @WAHa_06x36 @baconandcoconut I'm not ignorant, nor have I lied.
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Ben Royce 🇺🇸🇺🇦 Don't Boo: Votereplied to George Maschke last edited by
@gwm @WAHa_06x36 @baconandcoconut
you're voting for #trump if you vote for #jillstein
so you are either lying, and you know it, and you are a troll supporting trump with manipulative disinfo
or you are lying, and you don't know it, and you are an ignorant fool supporting trump unwillingly
this is not my opinion nor an empty insult
this is the objective truth of the broken ass #american #FPTP #voting system
learn it
and stop lying
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George Maschkereplied to Ben Royce 🇺🇸🇺🇦 Don't Boo: Vote last edited by
@benroyce @WAHa_06x36 @baconandcoconut A vote for Jill Stein is a vote for Jill Stein, not for Donald Trump.
And there are good reasons to vote for her (if, as I do, you support her policy positions), even though she is not going to win this election. This is so because if Stein garners 5% of the national vote, the Green Party will qualify for federal funding, helping to establish a viable alternative to the duopoly for future elections.
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Ben Royce 🇺🇸🇺🇦 Don't Boo: Votereplied to George Maschke last edited by
@gwm @WAHa_06x36 @baconandcoconut
"A vote for Jill Stein is a vote for Jill Stein, not for Donald Trump."
you need education
the #USA #voting system is #FPTP
this means only 2 parties can dominate, and 3rd party votes only serve as a spoiler. against the candidate closer to you, and for the candidate furthest from you
did you read it?
read it:
why do you insist on pushing ignorant lies to help trump win, lying troll?
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Ben Royce 🇺🇸🇺🇦 Don't Boo: Votereplied to Ben Royce 🇺🇸🇺🇦 Don't Boo: Vote last edited by
@gwm @WAHa_06x36 @baconandcoconut
"helping to establish a viable alternative to the duopoly for future elections"
there will be no viable third parties in the *current* american voting system
ever
because of duverger's law
it isn't smoke filled rooms and corruption and dominance
it's math:
the usa is a fptp voting system
to get viable 3rd parties, which i want, we need ranked choice voting
*then* you can vote your conscience and not tedious strategy
do you understand?
stop lying
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George Maschkereplied to Ben Royce 🇺🇸🇺🇦 Don't Boo: Vote last edited by
@benroyce @WAHa_06x36 @baconandcoconut It is possible in the American system for an old party to die (e.g. the Whigs) and a new party to emerge (e.g. the Republican Party).
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Ben Royce 🇺🇸🇺🇦 Don't Boo: Votereplied to George Maschke last edited by
@gwm @WAHa_06x36 @baconandcoconut
yes, galaxy brain political science professor: *one party replaced another*
and then continued on with the two parties taking positions on either side of a divide to win
so the green party could replace the democratic party
and then the green party just acts like the old dead democratic party to win
aka, nothing changes
to have viable 3rd parties in the usa, you need to change the voting system: ranked choice voting
please indicate that you understand
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George Maschkereplied to Ben Royce 🇺🇸🇺🇦 Don't Boo: Vote last edited by
@benroyce @WAHa_06x36 @baconandcoconut I support ranked choice voting. So does the Green Party. The Democratic and Republican Parties both oppose it.
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@gwm @benroyce @WAHa_06x36 @baconandcoconut right.
And if you want that to happen, you know what to do?
VOTE FOR DEMOCRATS. Up and down the ticket. Because parties die when they stop being competitive in heads-up races.
If both Democrats and Republicans bleed 10% nothing changes. Because that's how our system works.
If all of a sudden Democrats are consistently a 70% party, THAT'S when what you are talking about happens - the Republican party will be replaced.
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Mourioche ⏚replied to Ben Royce 🇺🇸🇺🇦 Don't Boo: Vote last edited by
@benroyce @gwm @WAHa_06x36 @baconandcoconut I use mastodon with Firefox, and for each message in other language than mine (french), i can click a button to translate the message; using deepl.
Here is a screenshot of your message, and how it is translated.The first sentence is completly wrong.
i'd be very interested to know where this fanciful translation comes from.
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Wyatt H Knottreplied to Ben Royce 🇺🇸🇺🇦 Don't Boo: Vote last edited by
@benroyce @gwm @WAHa_06x36 @baconandcoconut Actually, what we need is not ranked choice voting but a parliamentary system if we wish to see more viable parties. There has to be a way for small parties to compromise, unite, and form a ruling government. Continuing with anything that looks like what we have now is polishing a turd.
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@Mourioche @benroyce @WAHa_06x36 @baconandcoconut Moi aussi! C'est drôle, ça!
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Ben Royce 🇺🇸🇺🇦 Don't Boo: Votereplied to George Maschke last edited by
@gwm @Mourioche @WAHa_06x36 @baconandcoconut
tu es prompt à sortir les français. Je me demande si vous vivez aux États-Unis. Comment se déroulent les opérations agricoles de trolls de nos jours ?
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Ben Royce 🇺🇸🇺🇦 Don't Boo: Votereplied to Wyatt H Knott last edited by
@whknott @gwm @WAHa_06x36 @baconandcoconut
while i can tend to agree with you, getting us ranked choice voting will be difficult enough as it is. but doable. while converting the usa to a parliamentary system is many many orders of magnitude harder to achieve
there's even better voting systems than ranked choice. that i would prefer to support. but i throw my weight behind ranked choice because it has the most momentum
it's all about small steps, what we can achieve, to make things better
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George Maschkereplied to Ben Royce 🇺🇸🇺🇦 Don't Boo: Vote last edited by
@benroyce @Mourioche @WAHa_06x36 @baconandcoconut I'm an American living and working abroad.
