Honestly, if you’re in the US, please vote.
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Dag Ågren ↙︎↙︎↙︎replied to George Maschke last edited by
@gwm Come on. It's 2024. At this point you need to be able bring yourself to admit that Jill Stein is Putin's puppet. She is supported by one of the biggest fascists in power today.
It would be lovely to have a viable green party in the US. But *you don't have that*. You have a Russian op. Jill Stein is not what you want.
Harris is far from perfect, but is also nowhere near is a fascist. Trump and Jill Stein, however, literally are.
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George Maschkereplied to Dag Ågren ↙︎↙︎↙︎ last edited by
@WAHa_06x36 I have seen no credible evidence that Jill Stein is in any sense "Putin's puppet."
As for Kamala Harris being a fascist, she's in the pocket of moneyed interests and supports a militaristic foreign policy, including full throated support for Israel's ongoing genocide of the Palestinian people.
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Tim Chambers - VOTEDreplied to Eugen Rochko last edited by
@Gargron Thanks for posting this, Eugen!
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baconandcoconutreplied to George Maschke last edited by
@gwm @WAHa_06x36 There's a lot of space between "intermittently beholden to some corporate interests" and "we won't have elections anymore and will violently round up our political adversaries." Neither is ideal but one is clearly better.
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George Maschkereplied to baconandcoconut last edited by
@baconandcoconut @WAHa_06x36 For me, support for genocide is a red line I am unwilling to cross.
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Dag Ågren ↙︎↙︎↙︎replied to George Maschke last edited by
@gwm @baconandcoconut Understood, and it sucks that you do not get a good choice on that, but, that's it: You don't get a good choice on that.
Trump is *much worse* on that than Harris, and a vote for Jill Stein helps only Trump.
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George Maschkereplied to Dag Ågren ↙︎↙︎↙︎ last edited by
@WAHa_06x36 @baconandcoconut My vote for Jill Stein will not help Donald Trump in any way.
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Dag Ågren ↙︎↙︎↙︎replied to George Maschke last edited by
@gwm @baconandcoconut I struggle to believe you are actually so naïve that you believe this.
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George Maschkereplied to Dag Ågren ↙︎↙︎↙︎ last edited by
@WAHa_06x36 @baconandcoconut A vote for Jill Stein does not add to any other candidate's vote tally.
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Ben Royce 🇺🇸🇺🇦 Don't Boo: Votereplied to George Maschke last edited by
@gwm @WAHa_06x36 @baconandcoconut
duverger's law:
in a #fptp #voting system (the #usa), a vote for a 3rd party hurts the candidate closer to your beliefs, and rewards the candidate furthest from you
a vote for #jillstein is a vote for #trump
you may not like that, but that is the truth of the #american voting system
we need #rankedchoicevoting #rcv, then we can vote our conscience and not bullshit strategy
read, educate yourself, and stop with the ignorant lies:
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George Maschkereplied to Ben Royce 🇺🇸🇺🇦 Don't Boo: Vote last edited by
@benroyce @WAHa_06x36 @baconandcoconut I'm not ignorant, nor have I lied.
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Ben Royce 🇺🇸🇺🇦 Don't Boo: Votereplied to George Maschke last edited by
@gwm @WAHa_06x36 @baconandcoconut
you're voting for #trump if you vote for #jillstein
so you are either lying, and you know it, and you are a troll supporting trump with manipulative disinfo
or you are lying, and you don't know it, and you are an ignorant fool supporting trump unwillingly
this is not my opinion nor an empty insult
this is the objective truth of the broken ass #american #FPTP #voting system
learn it
and stop lying
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George Maschkereplied to Ben Royce 🇺🇸🇺🇦 Don't Boo: Vote last edited by
@benroyce @WAHa_06x36 @baconandcoconut A vote for Jill Stein is a vote for Jill Stein, not for Donald Trump.
And there are good reasons to vote for her (if, as I do, you support her policy positions), even though she is not going to win this election. This is so because if Stein garners 5% of the national vote, the Green Party will qualify for federal funding, helping to establish a viable alternative to the duopoly for future elections.
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Ben Royce 🇺🇸🇺🇦 Don't Boo: Votereplied to George Maschke last edited by
@gwm @WAHa_06x36 @baconandcoconut
"A vote for Jill Stein is a vote for Jill Stein, not for Donald Trump."
you need education
the #USA #voting system is #FPTP
this means only 2 parties can dominate, and 3rd party votes only serve as a spoiler. against the candidate closer to you, and for the candidate furthest from you
did you read it?
read it:
why do you insist on pushing ignorant lies to help trump win, lying troll?
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Ben Royce 🇺🇸🇺🇦 Don't Boo: Votereplied to Ben Royce 🇺🇸🇺🇦 Don't Boo: Vote last edited by
@gwm @WAHa_06x36 @baconandcoconut
"helping to establish a viable alternative to the duopoly for future elections"
there will be no viable third parties in the *current* american voting system
ever
because of duverger's law
it isn't smoke filled rooms and corruption and dominance
it's math:
the usa is a fptp voting system
to get viable 3rd parties, which i want, we need ranked choice voting
*then* you can vote your conscience and not tedious strategy
do you understand?
stop lying
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George Maschkereplied to Ben Royce 🇺🇸🇺🇦 Don't Boo: Vote last edited by
@benroyce @WAHa_06x36 @baconandcoconut It is possible in the American system for an old party to die (e.g. the Whigs) and a new party to emerge (e.g. the Republican Party).
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Ben Royce 🇺🇸🇺🇦 Don't Boo: Votereplied to George Maschke last edited by
@gwm @WAHa_06x36 @baconandcoconut
yes, galaxy brain political science professor: *one party replaced another*
and then continued on with the two parties taking positions on either side of a divide to win
so the green party could replace the democratic party
and then the green party just acts like the old dead democratic party to win
aka, nothing changes
to have viable 3rd parties in the usa, you need to change the voting system: ranked choice voting
please indicate that you understand
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George Maschkereplied to Ben Royce 🇺🇸🇺🇦 Don't Boo: Vote last edited by
@benroyce @WAHa_06x36 @baconandcoconut I support ranked choice voting. So does the Green Party. The Democratic and Republican Parties both oppose it.
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@gwm @benroyce @WAHa_06x36 @baconandcoconut right.
And if you want that to happen, you know what to do?
VOTE FOR DEMOCRATS. Up and down the ticket. Because parties die when they stop being competitive in heads-up races.
If both Democrats and Republicans bleed 10% nothing changes. Because that's how our system works.
If all of a sudden Democrats are consistently a 70% party, THAT'S when what you are talking about happens - the Republican party will be replaced.
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Mourioche ⏚replied to Ben Royce 🇺🇸🇺🇦 Don't Boo: Vote last edited by
@benroyce @gwm @WAHa_06x36 @baconandcoconut I use mastodon with Firefox, and for each message in other language than mine (french), i can click a button to translate the message; using deepl.
Here is a screenshot of your message, and how it is translated.The first sentence is completly wrong.
i'd be very interested to know where this fanciful translation comes from.
