Honestly, if you’re in the US, please vote.

George Maschke

@benroyce @WAHa_06x36 @baconandcoconut A vote for Jill Stein is a vote for Jill Stein, not for Donald Trump.

And there are good reasons to vote for her (if, as I do, you support her policy positions), even though she is not going to win this election. This is so because if Stein garners 5% of the national vote, the Green Party will qualify for federal funding, helping to establish a viable alternative to the duopoly for future elections.

Ben Royce 🇺🇸🇺🇦 Don't Boo: Vote

@gwm @WAHa_06x36 @baconandcoconut

"A vote for Jill Stein is a vote for Jill Stein, not for Donald Trump."

you need education

the #USA #voting system is #FPTP

this means only 2 parties can dominate, and 3rd party votes only serve as a spoiler. against the candidate closer to you, and for the candidate furthest from you

#duvergerslaw

did you read it?

read it:

Duverger's law - Wikipedia

(en.wikipedia.org)

why do you insist on pushing ignorant lies to help trump win, lying troll?

Ben Royce 🇺🇸🇺🇦 Don't Boo: Vote

@gwm @WAHa_06x36 @baconandcoconut

"helping to establish a viable alternative to the duopoly for future elections"

there will be no viable third parties in the *current* american voting system

ever

because of duverger's law

it isn't smoke filled rooms and corruption and dominance

it's math:

the usa is a fptp voting system

to get viable 3rd parties, which i want, we need ranked choice voting

*then* you can vote your conscience and not tedious strategy

do you understand?

stop lying

George Maschke

@benroyce @WAHa_06x36 @baconandcoconut It is possible in the American system for an old party to die (e.g. the Whigs) and a new party to emerge (e.g. the Republican Party).

Ben Royce 🇺🇸🇺🇦 Don't Boo: Vote

@gwm @WAHa_06x36 @baconandcoconut

yes, galaxy brain political science professor: *one party replaced another*

and then continued on with the two parties taking positions on either side of a divide to win

so the green party could replace the democratic party

and then the green party just acts like the old dead democratic party to win

aka, nothing changes

to have viable 3rd parties in the usa, you need to change the voting system: ranked choice voting

please indicate that you understand

George Maschke

@benroyce @WAHa_06x36 @baconandcoconut I support ranked choice voting. So does the Green Party. The Democratic and Republican Parties both oppose it.

Amoshias

@gwm @benroyce @WAHa_06x36 @baconandcoconut right.

And if you want that to happen, you know what to do?

VOTE FOR DEMOCRATS. Up and down the ticket. Because parties die when they stop being competitive in heads-up races.

If both Democrats and Republicans bleed 10% nothing changes. Because that's how our system works.

If all of a sudden Democrats are consistently a 70% party, THAT'S when what you are talking about happens - the Republican party will be replaced.

Mourioche ⏚

@benroyce @gwm @WAHa_06x36 @baconandcoconut I use mastodon with Firefox, and for each message in other language than mine (french), i can click a button to translate the message; using deepl.
Here is a screenshot of your message, and how it is translated.

The first sentence is completly wrong.
i'd be very interested to know where this fanciful translation comes from.

Wyatt H Knott

@benroyce @gwm @WAHa_06x36 @baconandcoconut Actually, what we need is not ranked choice voting but a parliamentary system if we wish to see more viable parties. There has to be a way for small parties to compromise, unite, and form a ruling government. Continuing with anything that looks like what we have now is polishing a turd.

George Maschke

@Mourioche @benroyce @WAHa_06x36 @baconandcoconut Moi aussi! C'est drôle, ça!

Ben Royce 🇺🇸🇺🇦 Don't Boo: Vote

@gwm @Mourioche @WAHa_06x36 @baconandcoconut

tu es prompt à sortir les français. Je me demande si vous vivez aux États-Unis. Comment se déroulent les opérations agricoles de trolls de nos jours ?

Ben Royce 🇺🇸🇺🇦 Don't Boo: Vote

@whknott @gwm @WAHa_06x36 @baconandcoconut

while i can tend to agree with you, getting us ranked choice voting will be difficult enough as it is. but doable. while converting the usa to a parliamentary system is many many orders of magnitude harder to achieve

there's even better voting systems than ranked choice. that i would prefer to support. but i throw my weight behind ranked choice because it has the most momentum

it's all about small steps, what we can achieve, to make things better

George Maschke

@benroyce @Mourioche @WAHa_06x36 @baconandcoconut I'm an American living and working abroad.

Wyatt H Knott

@benroyce @gwm @WAHa_06x36 @baconandcoconut Ranked choice voting is going to make people stop voting. If I have to give any percentage of my vote to someone I have no interest in giving ANY mandate to, then I'd rather burn the whole thing down.

Ben Royce 🇺🇸🇺🇦 Don't Boo: Vote

@gwm @Mourioche @WAHa_06x36 @baconandcoconut

working for putin

as a fool who doesn't understand the voting system of their own country and what fptp and duvergers law does to the value of a third party vote

vote democrat, and support those candidates that will give us ranked choice

then we can truly vote our conscience, third party, something i want

and something you want, but you're currently working against your own goals. because you don't understand the american voting system

Ben Royce 🇺🇸🇺🇦 Don't Boo: Vote

@whknott @gwm @WAHa_06x36 @baconandcoconut

that's not how it works

you just literally rank your choices

from your favorite to your least

here watch this video

#aussies call it preferential voting, but it's the same thing as #rankedchoicevoting #rcv

DrD

@benroyce @whknott @gwm @WAHa_06x36 @baconandcoconut And they have compulsory voting !

Ben Royce 🇺🇸🇺🇦 Don't Boo: Vote

@NZedAUS @whknott @gwm @WAHa_06x36 @baconandcoconut

i used to like that concept

but i've grown cool to compulsory voting

because you can force someone to the voting booth, but you can't force them to *care*

so they will just vote for joke candidates

but wait...

come to think of it, farce candidates are still better than MAGA malice

ok, i'm for compulsory voting again

Urzl

@benroyce @NZedAUS @whknott @gwm @WAHa_06x36 @baconandcoconut I like compulsory voting coupled with a mandate that every ballot issue includes "Abstain" and "No Confidence" options. Anyone who doesn't care or doesn't know is then allowed to say so explicitly without mathematically advantaging someone at random.

Staying home now is mathematically a signal "every candidate is equally great by me, I'm supporting whoever gets the majority". You can't really dissent passively now.

George Maschke

@benroyce @Mourioche @WAHa_06x36 @baconandcoconut Accusing those with whom you disagree of "working for Putin" is redolent of McCarthyism.