Do you have limited or full access to your host?
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@NodeHam I'm in my mid-to-late 30s. I'm a dinosaur in industry terms.
I don't like to manage my own physical servers (though I know how), so I like cloud VPSs. I like the ability to remotely administer my server over ssh.
Managed hosting democratizes web app software, so it is very important too.
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@julian said in Do you have limited or full access to your host?:
I'm in my mid-to-late 30s. I'm a dinosaur in industry terms.
Wow. I'm 50 so I guess I must be Paleozoic
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@phenomlab if he's a dino, I must be a grandfather at the ripe old age of 25....
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@tankerkiller125 now I feel really old.
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@phenomlab @tankerkiller125
you guys.25 is employable as a dev (although in this climate maybe not?)
After 30 I think it's time to start looking at senior/management roles
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@julian said in Do you have limited or full access to your host?:
After 30 I think it's time to start looking at senior/management role
That's me then. Head of IT and CISO.
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Unhijacking for a moment
I use a spare laptop running Ubuntu as my server.
At first I thought 'free' hosting was great, but ...
It does give frequent issues, e.g. free SSL certs expire after 3months and need resetting
When it does go down (not often), but it will typically be a day Im away on holiday!
its not actually free, as the energy use adds up. e.g. 40watts * 24hrs = 1kwhr per day, around £4 or $5 per week!But I do have the advantage of direct access to it at home, and I can SSH in also.
To add: Its only really NodeBB that keeps me running my own server now, as do see the benefits of getting a host
But the cheaper shared hosting ones can't run Node and NodeBB
My only experiments with the few that can, didnt go well a few years ago. I would be interested in that situation now-
what realistically is the lowest monthly hosting that can run NodeBB.
I did have this conversation previously with @phenomlab, and I recall we were looking at around $40 a month upwards for a dedicated host -
@eeeee said in Do you have limited or full access to your host?:
I did have this conversation previously with @phenomlab, and I recall we were looking at around $40 a month upwards for a dedicated host
Why do you need dedicated? I am running my own VPS which is used for a multitude, but if you are running only NodeBB, it's so much cheaper than that
Truly thrifty cloud hosting - Hetzner Online GmbH
Cloud servers starting at € 3.79. A little money gets you lots of cloud. Our flexible billing model and clever interface make it easy to use our cloud servers for all your IT needs.
(www.hetzner.com)
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Going back off track ... RE: Developers under 25
@julian
it does seem younger people are preferred as coders, but I don't get why?
For example its taken me years to develop skills in a multitude of areas which I didnt have in early 20s.
One example of that might be maths element, I've seen 'younger' coders do some things which were inefficient, and I know better methods for.
?I agree with you implied statement about the 'market'
I've got friends in their 20's who recently did computer degrees, struggling to find tech jobs, and are only using their computer skills in their spare time.
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@eeeee said in Do you have limited or full access to your host?:
I've got friends in their 20's who recently did computer degrees, struggling to find tech jobs, and are only using their computer skills in their spare time.
The tech jobs market place is really not easy now.Yes. Made so much worse by HR departments making decisions on candidates. I wrote an article about that there
https://sudonix.org/topic/169/experience-vs-certification-who-wins?
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@eeeee said in Do you have limited or full access to your host?:
it does seem younger people are preferred as coders, but I don't get why?
Where I work all the devs are 50+ years old. And honestly, given the stuff we do I wouldn't trust a 20 something dev with it anyway. (Complex accounting software/ERP software that has to meet regulatory conditions).
These guys have been at it for 30+ years and actually helped write some of the original modules (before the CEO pulled them away from the company that writes the software we customize). And their knowledge is VAST, hell the lead engineer actually has a degree in forensics accounting.
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@eeeee My rather jaded thinking is that devs under 30 are preferred in certain contexts like SV because you can more easily buy loyalty and overtime from that age bracket with in-office perks and salary.
The older you get, the more experienced you get, but also probably value work-life balance a whole lot more due to family and other responsibilities.
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@julian said in Do you have limited or full access to your host?:
probably value work-life balance a whole lot more due to family and other responsibilities.
Exactly.
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@NodeHam Right, so that's the thing that's different about this whole decentralized social network thing.
There's no magical engagement algorithm that allows your content to reach other people. If nobody follows you, it doesn't get sent out to other services, so the post stays local to this NodeBB forum.
To get follows, you have to follow others, and hopefully someone with many followers (like my crag.social account) will "boost" your post
You might've noticed that every time I post about ActivityPub, either my crag.social account, or the NodeBB account on fosstodon.org shares it (sometimes both). That's because those two accounts have much higher follower counts than my NodeBB account. That difference will lessen over time
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@eeeee said in Do you have limited or full access to your host?:
I did have this conversation previously with @phenomlab, and I recall we were looking at around $40 a month upwards for a dedicated host
If you're fine with Oracle and willing to ensure there is some constant load on your server (from my experience just running Mongo+Redis with some cache for NodeBB will do fine for their usage detection), Oracle Cloud Infrastructure is still waving a huge free tier carrot in the form of 4 ARM64 cores w/24GB of RAM w/200GB total disk space (you can distribute these across up to 4VMs)
Otherwise - Hetzner has a great offer. NodeBB deployments are mostly RAM-bound, so I'd personally go for ARM here too - since NodeBB doesn't really have any x86-specific dependencies (also, if you want to save a buck, or rather €0.60, you can put an IPv6-only server behind Cloudflare and get IPv4 connectivity for free
).You really don't need dedicated unless you really have a lot of users - it may be worth it if you want to host many services (since you can run your own VMs there) or if you actually need a full CPU-worth of performance, but again - the heaviest part of NodeBB is typically the database (and maybe caches), you're almost certainly not using that much processing power to serve a forum
(As for the experience topic, I'm not sure if I can really comment when I'm still in my early 20s, below the lowest concrete number thrown here
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