Honestly, if you’re in the US, please vote.

Eugen Rochko

Honestly, if you’re in the US, please vote. Don’t let a fascist take control. Don’t think that it can’t possibly happen there. This might be your last chance to vote. Don’t waste it. Sitting it out won’t help your cause but it will definitely endanger a lot of lives. That’s my take on it.

#VoteEarlyDay #FederateTheVote

George Maschke

@Gargron Whether it's Trump or Harris, a fascist is going to win the U.S. presidential election. Those of us opposed to fascism can vote for Jill Stein. Even though it's clear she's not going to win, we have the opportunity to build an anti-fascist alternative in American politics.

Dag Ågren ↙︎↙︎↙︎

@gwm Come on. It's 2024. At this point you need to be able bring yourself to admit that Jill Stein is Putin's puppet. She is supported by one of the biggest fascists in power today.

It would be lovely to have a viable green party in the US. But *you don't have that*. You have a Russian op. Jill Stein is not what you want.

Harris is far from perfect, but is also nowhere near is a fascist. Trump and Jill Stein, however, literally are.

George Maschke

@WAHa_06x36 I have seen no credible evidence that Jill Stein is in any sense "Putin's puppet."

As for Kamala Harris being a fascist, she's in the pocket of moneyed interests and supports a militaristic foreign policy, including full throated support for Israel's ongoing genocide of the Palestinian people.

Tim Chambers - VOTED

@Gargron Thanks for posting this, Eugen!

baconandcoconut

@gwm @WAHa_06x36 There's a lot of space between "intermittently beholden to some corporate interests" and "we won't have elections anymore and will violently round up our political adversaries." Neither is ideal but one is clearly better.

George Maschke

@baconandcoconut @WAHa_06x36 For me, support for genocide is a red line I am unwilling to cross.

Dag Ågren ↙︎↙︎↙︎

@gwm @baconandcoconut Understood, and it sucks that you do not get a good choice on that, but, that's it: You don't get a good choice on that.

Trump is *much worse* on that than Harris, and a vote for Jill Stein helps only Trump.

George Maschke

@WAHa_06x36 @baconandcoconut My vote for Jill Stein will not help Donald Trump in any way.

Dag Ågren ↙︎↙︎↙︎

@gwm @baconandcoconut I struggle to believe you are actually so naïve that you believe this.

George Maschke

@WAHa_06x36 @baconandcoconut A vote for Jill Stein does not add to any other candidate's vote tally.

Ben Royce 🇺🇸🇺🇦 Don't Boo: Vote

@gwm @WAHa_06x36 @baconandcoconut

duverger's law:

in a #fptp #voting system (the #usa), a vote for a 3rd party hurts the candidate closer to your beliefs, and rewards the candidate furthest from you

a vote for #jillstein is a vote for #trump

you may not like that, but that is the truth of the #american voting system

we need #rankedchoicevoting #rcv, then we can vote our conscience and not bullshit strategy

read, educate yourself, and stop with the ignorant lies:

Duverger's law - Wikipedia

(en.wikipedia.org)

George Maschke

@benroyce @WAHa_06x36 @baconandcoconut I'm not ignorant, nor have I lied.

Ben Royce 🇺🇸🇺🇦 Don't Boo: Vote

@gwm @WAHa_06x36 @baconandcoconut

you're voting for #trump if you vote for #jillstein

so you are either lying, and you know it, and you are a troll supporting trump with manipulative disinfo

or you are lying, and you don't know it, and you are an ignorant fool supporting trump unwillingly

this is not my opinion nor an empty insult

this is the objective truth of the broken ass #american #FPTP #voting system

learn it

and stop lying

#election2024 #harris

George Maschke

@benroyce @WAHa_06x36 @baconandcoconut A vote for Jill Stein is a vote for Jill Stein, not for Donald Trump.

And there are good reasons to vote for her (if, as I do, you support her policy positions), even though she is not going to win this election. This is so because if Stein garners 5% of the national vote, the Green Party will qualify for federal funding, helping to establish a viable alternative to the duopoly for future elections.

Ben Royce 🇺🇸🇺🇦 Don't Boo: Vote

@gwm @WAHa_06x36 @baconandcoconut

"A vote for Jill Stein is a vote for Jill Stein, not for Donald Trump."

you need education

the #USA #voting system is #FPTP

this means only 2 parties can dominate, and 3rd party votes only serve as a spoiler. against the candidate closer to you, and for the candidate furthest from you

#duvergerslaw

did you read it?

read it:

Duverger's law - Wikipedia

(en.wikipedia.org)

why do you insist on pushing ignorant lies to help trump win, lying troll?

Ben Royce 🇺🇸🇺🇦 Don't Boo: Vote

@gwm @WAHa_06x36 @baconandcoconut

"helping to establish a viable alternative to the duopoly for future elections"

there will be no viable third parties in the *current* american voting system

ever

because of duverger's law

it isn't smoke filled rooms and corruption and dominance

it's math:

the usa is a fptp voting system

to get viable 3rd parties, which i want, we need ranked choice voting

*then* you can vote your conscience and not tedious strategy

do you understand?

stop lying

George Maschke

@benroyce @WAHa_06x36 @baconandcoconut It is possible in the American system for an old party to die (e.g. the Whigs) and a new party to emerge (e.g. the Republican Party).

Ben Royce 🇺🇸🇺🇦 Don't Boo: Vote

@gwm @WAHa_06x36 @baconandcoconut

yes, galaxy brain political science professor: *one party replaced another*

and then continued on with the two parties taking positions on either side of a divide to win

so the green party could replace the democratic party

and then the green party just acts like the old dead democratic party to win

aka, nothing changes

to have viable 3rd parties in the usa, you need to change the voting system: ranked choice voting

please indicate that you understand

George Maschke

@benroyce @WAHa_06x36 @baconandcoconut I support ranked choice voting. So does the Green Party. The Democratic and Republican Parties both oppose it.