Avatar is about capitalism
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piemeplenty@lemmy.worldreplied to robinoberg@feddit.uk last edited by
Explore, exploit, exterminate.
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rumschlumpel@feddit.orgreplied to Dragon Rider (drag) last edited by
Sure, but none of the economies we actually have (or recently had) work like that.
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fiskfisk33@startrek.websitereplied to robinoberg@feddit.uk last edited by
Satisfactory music starts playing
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Avatar does have some good science fiction like the idea of a planetary hivemind being worshipped as a god. The Na'vi religion is literally true, it just seems false to humans who don't know anything. That's very different to Dune, where the Fremen religion is true because people like Paul's mum make it true.
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Dragon Rider (drag)replied to rumschlumpel@feddit.org last edited by
Someone had better have a communist revolution so we do have one like that, then.
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rumschlumpel@feddit.orgreplied to Dragon Rider (drag) last edited by
Judging by the communist revolutions we had so far, I'm not holding my breath for that.
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I'll grant that waffer thin idea as a good attempt of putting something akin to good sci-fi into an otherwise solely for visuals work, although I disagree with the notion of deifying something that is tangible, as in the setting put forward in the movie.
And I mentioned Dune because of the immortality mention. The spice is also irreplaceable and unique, produced only in a single planet, through a rather complex organic process, harvested at great risk and cost, then to be synthesized by the tons.
That was good sci-fi, with sound social and religious criticism in it.
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If you'll allow drag to play devil's advocate, Eywa isn't tangible. Ewya is a mind, and minds are made of electrical signal patterns. You can't touch electricity. And you definitely can't touch a pattern of information, which is essentially made out of maths. That's what a mind is, a bunch of incredibly complex maths.
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plexsheep@infosec.pubreplied to Dragon Rider (drag) last edited by
They get stronger because they mutate to fight back
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librehans@lemmy.worldreplied to Dragon Rider (drag) last edited by
Are you Teresa?
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Dragon Rider (drag)replied to plexsheep@infosec.pub last edited by
That's not how evolution works. A species evolves to get stronger in battle if the weak ones die in battle. A species evolves stronger lungs if the weak ones die of lung cancer. Dying of lung cancer doesn't make a species better fighters.
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Dragon Rider (drag)replied to librehans@lemmy.world last edited by
Are you? You're the one claiming racism because drag listens to Aboriginal elders. Drag's got sources for what drag says, and it seems like you don't. So you're just making stuff up.
Besides, the noble savage trope is about thinking indigenous societies were pure an untainted by evil. Aboriginal Australians knew what evil was. They had policies in place within their governments to prevent ecological devastation. That's not innocence, it's technology. Aboriginals aren't savages and drag didn't say they are. You're the one denying their advanced environmental policies. Sounds like you're the one calling them savages.
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You're intelligent. Or at least, well read/educated.
I didn't say it was a good plot-device. The entire movie was hamfisted from the world building through the dialog, the character development, and those hamfists evolved into bulldozers to bring the moral home.
The only thing it had going for it was the CGI... which was obsequious.
Regardless, it's their fictional world. They designed it to be stupid and boring so they could make some sort of moral superiority bullshit statement about capitalism while grossing 2+ billion.
Also, I'm just gonna say it. It wasn't even sci fi. sure, sure. it had ships and stuff. but that's not what makes sci fi sci fi.
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librehans@lemmy.worldreplied to Dragon Rider (drag) last edited by
Next you'll listen to some hip hop and start calling black people removeds?
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I fall back to my original thought: is well thought sci-fi so hard to achieve nowadays? If seems there is a fixation about misery and destruction nowadays.
considering that mass media will slap a space ship into anything and call it "Science Fiction".... yes, actually. Because they're idiots who will only copy what's already been done because it's a reliable way to make money.
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allow me to play the idiot-younger-sibling of said devil's advocate and just point out you can absolutely touch electricity, which is why we put safety plugs in them to keep toddlers from licking electrical outlets.
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Drag is correct, but it's fantasy evolution we're talking about
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From what I took from the movie, there was a knowledge that such a collective overarching conscience existed. It wasn't a figment of imagination nor a collective (de)illusion. It was tangible in that way.
And being cheeky: electricty can't be touched? i disagree. Every single time I put my fingers where I shouldn't, it reminded me in very tangible way I wasn't looking at what I was doing.
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Sad but true.
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Dragon Rider (drag)replied to librehans@lemmy.world last edited by
Oh. This argument is pointless. Carry about your day, then.