things i would like to see in mastodon that pleroma has been able to do for years:

[ariadne@social.treehouse.systems]

- normalization of message HTML and mention/hashtag formatting (2019)

- normalization of inline mentions and hashtag presence (2019)

- filtering of activitystreams content types (2019)

[ariadne@social.treehouse.systems]

i could keep going, but i think i've made my point

[ionizedgirl@toot.cat]

@ariadne so we should just run pleroma?

[ariadne@social.treehouse.systems]

@ionizedgirl no. there are plenty of reasons to not run pleroma. but Mastodon could actually have moderation tools that are good if Gargron wanted to make them.

i just find it strange that the software that has good moderation tools gets tarnished as "freeze peach" when the dominant software which has *terrible* moderation tools is allowed to just keep having terrible moderation tools and polluting the fediverse with the fallout of its terrible moderation design.

oh right, because one was made by queer people and can be set up easily, and the other was made by a white guy

[ariadne@social.treehouse.systems]

@ionizedgirl like this is highly frustrating to me, because the only reason that Mastodon ever gains new moderation tools is because mastodon.social has a crisis where they have to clean up their mess immediately or servers will start defederating them because the mess is too large for the rest of us to deal with.

when will they hold Gargron accountable? well, they can't, because they've been told that alternative options are evil.

[ionizedgirl@toot.cat]

@ariadne what are the downsides to running pleroma?

[ariadne@social.treehouse.systems]

@ionizedgirl well, for one, it is built on an RDF data model, which is cool, but that data model is stored in PostgreSQL instead of a real graph database, so this results in a lot of "admin fun" from time to time

[spaduf@hachyderm.io]

@ariadne Isn't defederating a hashtag just filtering? Mastodon does have that.

[ariadne@social.treehouse.systems]

@spaduf not at server-wide level

[spaduf@hachyderm.io]

@ariadne or are we ta lking about features for admins.

[ariadne@social.treehouse.systems]

@spaduf this thread is an entire listing of server-wide policies that can be installed by an instance's moderation staff

[untaggedtransmitter@aberrantwinds.bond]

@ariadne @ionizedgirl
I'll be honest seeing a bunch of nazi shit on the featured instances and a policy of "we won't ban fash" in the dev discussions put me off even thinking about the software for like four years.

(I just checked and one of the "featured instances" on pleroma.social had swastika and sonnenrad on the linked page.)

Like, I agree that the reputation has seriously slowed the propagation of better moderation tools. However I really don't think that this reputation is any surprise.

[ionizedgirl@toot.cat]

@UntaggedTransmitter @ariadne there are forks but I don't know what the relationship between them and pleroma is

[ariadne@social.treehouse.systems]

@ionizedgirl @UntaggedTransmitter akkoma is basically a hard fork at this point and exists because of this specific problem

[delta@mk.absturztau.be]

@[email protected] @[email protected] i can confirm, pleroma's database design is not great, i have a 1.5 year old single user akkoma instance with a 10gb database, and have known many akkoma/pleroma admins who've had to deal with the rot as it is colloquially known

pleroma/akkoma in general, has good features and ideas but its all built on top of a foundation made of sand and spaghetti, it works most of the time but you best hope there is a god to save you if you ever have to debug or fix a technical issue in the thing

admin-FE is also just kinda terrible, it works and thats the most that can be said about it, it is a pile of barely sorted settings, excluding the ones that aren't in there

[ariadne@social.treehouse.systems]

@delta @ionizedgirl i've considered forking Pleroma before and fixing the database to use normal SQL relations to represent the data and just accepting that a universal AS2/AP server probably isn't feasible at scale

[ionizedgirl@toot.cat]

@ariadne @UntaggedTransmitter does that mean it's missing the tools you listed

[ariadne@social.treehouse.systems]

@ionizedgirl @UntaggedTransmitter no, akkoma has the full MRF framework with all of the things i listed

[ariadne@social.treehouse.systems]

@ionizedgirl @UntaggedTransmitter (though akkoma seems to be kinda dead anymore)

[untaggedtransmitter@aberrantwinds.bond]

@ariadne @ionizedgirl
Akkoma existing is pretty much the whole reason I see Pleroma derived software as worth looking at. It would almost certainly be my software of choice if I was standing up a new fediverse instance at this point.