Guns
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[email protected]replied to [email protected] last edited by
And I assume you have a plan to get rid of over 600,000,000 guns in civilian hands without a registry to know where/who has what? Pandora's box has been opened, there will never not be guns, all we can do is stop people from buying new ones (which would certainly help disarm POC and women who are the two fastest growing groups of gun owners for damn near half a decade by now, if your goal is to make it so mostly white men have guns that could work I suppose.)
Japan proves guns aren't a prerequisite for suicide. In fact really only men do it with guns here, women opt for intentional poisoning statistically and since they're your sole focus it won't help much there.
19k killed, 100k defensive gun uses/yr (Harvard). 100k > 19k.
100k > 27k. 19,651+27,032=46,674, 46,674 < 100,000
Blah blah blah tldr.
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[email protected]replied to Pavel Chichikov last edited by
Let's be honest. You just want to see people die as long as they are the "right" group. Pardon me while I go throw up.
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[email protected]replied to [email protected] last edited by
And now we get the the dumbest fucking argument of all. There are so many guns how are you going to regulate them. It's like if you have a big problem suddenly you can't do anything about it.
If there was ever a reason to regulate something it is when it has become a big problem.
Then you bring up the next stupidest argument. The fact that Japan has no guns but high suicide. Guess what Sherlock? Their suicide rates would be much higher if they had a lot of them.
This has all been discussed and proven thousands of times by empirical evidence. I already told you no matter what I say or evidence I present you won't care.
If your entire family were killed by gun violence and ten million people died tomorrow from preventable gun death you would not care. There is no limit to your lack of humanity. Nothing is going to change your mind.
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[email protected]replied to [email protected] last edited by
Tbh with their cultural aversion to firearms in favor of blades, I doubt this claim as well. In any case they're doing just fine killing themselves without them.
I wouldn't blame the guns, I'd blame the murderer. If your entire family was hacked up tomorrow would you blame Cutco? Have fun with that.
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[email protected]replied to [email protected] last edited by
You are just talking out your ass about Japan. I will tell you something that actually makes sense. Japan eradicated gun crime.
How Japan has almost eradicated gun crime
Japan has one of the lowest rates of gun crime in the world, and the rules around ownership are very strict.
BBC News (www.bbc.com)
As always you seem to be stuck on the stupid path bringing up a country that proves regulation is effective.
Japan has one of the lowest rates of gun crime in the world. In 2014 there were just six gun deaths, compared to 33,599 in the US
I told you nothing would change your mind, not fucking the truth, and certainly not reality.
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[email protected]replied to [email protected] last edited by
Where did you get that "65%" and "34%" from? It doesn't match the information in the graph you are responding to.
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[email protected]replied to [email protected] last edited by
Tell that to Shinzo Abe.
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[email protected]replied to [email protected] last edited by
Then what percent of 249 is 42 and 22?
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[email protected]replied to [email protected] last edited by
I am supposed to believe you suddenly care about human life now.
Ok I will bite, let's talk children who have died of gun violence in less than a year in the US.
In his speech, Casten said:
"Madam Speaker, I wanted to take a moment to read the names of the children under 10 years old in America who'v been killed by guns so far this year.
"Aiden, age 8
"Alice, a newborn
"Alyssa, age 6
"Amare, age 10
"Andres, age 9
"Antonio, who went by the nick-name "ESPN"" age 7,
"Arbrie, age 8
"Ariah, age 7
"Arlene, age 9
"Asa, age 8
"Ashton, age 2
"Autumn, age 3
"Avere, 3
"Bella, 4 and her sister Brixx who was a newborn
"Bridger, age 10
"Bryson, 3
"Caleb, 5
"Cayden, 10
"Charlie, 10
"Charlotte, 9
"Charvez , 2
"Chloe, 7
"Clesslynn, 2
"I realize you're gaveling me out.
"There are over 600 names on this list—I
Don't even pretend you care about Shinzo when you could care less about millions of Americans.
It is like your own pet holocaust we all have to live with just so you can fantasize about killing people.
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[email protected]replied to [email protected] last edited by
Oh, I see. You're only counting the times when a bystander successfully intervened. (And now you're being snarky about it, rather than just saying that's what you did.)
In my interpretation, the 113 times where the attacker left the scene are also relevant.
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[email protected]replied to [email protected] last edited by
I'm not claiming "America eradicated gun crime" like you are for japan lol. I'm claiming that "just because someone owns guns doesn't mean they'll shoot theirwifechildrenyaddayadda."
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[email protected]replied to [email protected] last edited by
.........what?
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[email protected]replied to [email protected] last edited by
Well we could count the times where nobody intervened, but that doesn't negate that "that means there was nobody there with a gun to intervene" either. (And I was born snarky tyvm.)
Sure they're relevant, it's just that in most of them there was no gun other than the one held by the shooter (who in many cases wasn't allowed to bring it either) and nobody stopped him with their judo.
Of the ones that did get stopped, 34% were stopped with something that is only 8% likely to be there. That's still significant numbers whether you like it or not.
Even still, 22 is 9% of 249, that's still at least consistent with "likelihood gun there" based on 8% of carriers. I'd say it further supports my guess that "when not, it because gun not there."
And none of this even takes into account the propensity to choose gun free zones as targets further lessening the likelihood of armed response, but I think I'll mention that now.
Finally, it's a bit out of the scope of mass shootings alone but as for defensive gun use per year Harvard estimates it at 100,000/yr, which is more than our gun deaths including suicide yearly. That is also worth mention as while mass shootings themselves are also rare, defense with firearms happens more than death with firearms yearly as a whole.
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[email protected]replied to [email protected] last edited by
No you were claiming that you need a light on your gun so you can tell whether or not they are the person your intending to kill. I am sure they are the bad guy in your fantasy or whatever bullshit goes through you head.
Clearly there are some people who could handle firearms and use them responsibly. You are just not one of them.
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[email protected]replied to [email protected] last edited by
If you're questioning "burglar or wife" because "dark?" Yeah, "flashlight" solves that real fast. You don't think a flashlight will help you see whether someone is your wife or a burglar? Your wife look like a lot of burglars or something? Why are you so against gun safety lmao? It's really strange tbh.
No u lol, you're the one advocating against best safety practices for cool alpha internet points, seek help.
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[email protected]replied to [email protected] last edited by
I know you got downvoted, but in other countries and anywhere other than lemmy, the US and truth social, this is actually normal
It's crazy that extremist groups like the NRA have managed to brainwash so many Americans
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[email protected]replied to [email protected] last edited by
In other countries this is normal. Including here in Australia
Maybe you need to rethink some things and get some perspective from countries where we don't have regular mass shootings. Our kids don't need to do training for school shootings
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[email protected]replied to [email protected] last edited by
Oh I know what I was getting into by commenting on their post. I will gladly take downvotes from gun nutters.
I appreciate what you say though because in the US it seems easy to question your sanity at times.
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[email protected]replied to [email protected] last edited by
'No u lol"
Okay Asinineallthetime.
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[email protected]replied to [email protected] last edited by
Cool, well that's definitely not an option now that we voted in a right wing fascist.
Maybe once leftists get in charge again.