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Then what percent of 249 is 42 and 22?

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I am supposed to believe you suddenly care about human life now.

Ok I will bite, let's talk children who have died of gun violence in less than a year in the US.

https://casten.house.gov/media/press-releases/casten-reads-names-665-children-under-11-killed-guns-so-far-year-unable-finish

In his speech, Casten said:

"Madam Speaker, I wanted to take a moment to read the names of the children under 10 years old in America who'v been killed by guns so far this year.

"Aiden, age 8

"Alice, a newborn

"Alyssa, age 6

"Amare, age 10

"Andres, age 9

"Antonio, who went by the nick-name "ESPN"" age 7,

"Arbrie, age 8

"Ariah, age 7

"Arlene, age 9

"Asa, age 8

"Ashton, age 2

"Autumn, age 3

"Avere, 3

"Bella, 4 and her sister Brixx who was a newborn

"Bridger, age 10

"Bryson, 3

"Caleb, 5

"Cayden, 10

"Charlie, 10

"Charlotte, 9

"Charvez , 2

"Chloe, 7

"Clesslynn, 2

"I realize you're gaveling me out.

"There are over 600 names on this list—I

Don't even pretend you care about Shinzo when you could care less about millions of Americans.

It is like your own pet holocaust we all have to live with just so you can fantasize about killing people.

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Oh, I see. You're only counting the times when a bystander successfully intervened. (And now you're being snarky about it, rather than just saying that's what you did.)

In my interpretation, the 113 times where the attacker left the scene are also relevant.

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I'm not claiming "America eradicated gun crime" like you are for japan lol. I'm claiming that "just because someone owns guns doesn't mean they'll shoot theirwifechildrenyaddayadda."

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.........what?

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Well we could count the times where nobody intervened, but that doesn't negate that "that means there was nobody there with a gun to intervene" either. (And I was born snarky tyvm.)

Sure they're relevant, it's just that in most of them there was no gun other than the one held by the shooter (who in many cases wasn't allowed to bring it either) and nobody stopped him with their judo.

Of the ones that did get stopped, 34% were stopped with something that is only 8% likely to be there. That's still significant numbers whether you like it or not.

Even still, 22 is 9% of 249, that's still at least consistent with "likelihood gun there" based on 8% of carriers. I'd say it further supports my guess that "when not, it because gun not there."

And none of this even takes into account the propensity to choose gun free zones as targets further lessening the likelihood of armed response, but I think I'll mention that now.

Finally, it's a bit out of the scope of mass shootings alone but as for defensive gun use per year Harvard estimates it at 100,000/yr, which is more than our gun deaths including suicide yearly. That is also worth mention as while mass shootings themselves are also rare, defense with firearms happens more than death with firearms yearly as a whole.

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No you were claiming that you need a light on your gun so you can tell whether or not they are the person your intending to kill. I am sure they are the bad guy in your fantasy or whatever bullshit goes through you head.

Clearly there are some people who could handle firearms and use them responsibly. You are just not one of them.

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If you're questioning "burglar or wife" because "dark?" Yeah, "flashlight" solves that real fast. You don't think a flashlight will help you see whether someone is your wife or a burglar? Your wife look like a lot of burglars or something? Why are you so against gun safety lmao? It's really strange tbh.

No u lol, you're the one advocating against best safety practices for cool alpha internet points, seek help.

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I know you got downvoted, but in other countries and anywhere other than lemmy, the US and truth social, this is actually normal

It's crazy that extremist groups like the NRA have managed to brainwash so many Americans

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In other countries this is normal. Including here in Australia

Maybe you need to rethink some things and get some perspective from countries where we don't have regular mass shootings. Our kids don't need to do training for school shootings

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Oh I know what I was getting into by commenting on their post. I will gladly take downvotes from gun nutters.

I appreciate what you say though because in the US it seems easy to question your sanity at times.

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'No u lol"

Okay Asinineallthetime.

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Cool, well that's definitely not an option now that we voted in a right wing fascist.

Maybe once leftists get in charge again.

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Cool, if the dumb as shit fascist down the street owns a gun and wants you to die for being different then you need to protect yourself.

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Hmm.. If you say 8% of people carry guns, then surely there's a much higher than 9% chance that someone will have a gun at the scene. So something seems a bit off there.

I'd suggest that instead of just imagining how the percentage of people carrying guns might effect these stats, it might be better to try to measure that effect by looking at similar stats for other countries where gun carrying is far less common.

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We have not only more guns in circulation than people, but a constitutional right to those guns that you would have to overcome to remove them all.

I never expected to see a "those who disagree with me are actual Nazis" in the wild, used apparently straight faced. Godwin's law kicked in very quickly.

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You must be white passing and at least middle class to trust bringing the police into any situation.

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And that is where the difference between privileges and rights is. Privileges exist by definition for the privileged.

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Yep.. Whats crazy, is that literally a few months ago, everyone was pointing out how weird the nutters on the right wing are. And how rediculous the gun nuts are

Now, somehow, there seems to have been some kind of concerted campaign that have made a lot of these people start to act exactly like the extreme right, where shooting seemingly anyone you don't like is apparently "ok"

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It depends on the State for specific legality.

Armed or not, an actual threat or not, an intruder into an occupied home leaves benefit of the doubt at the entry point they used to get in. It might have been intended as a burglary instead of a home invasion, but the perpetrator does not get to make that distinction.

There is a tangible difference between regular property crime like shoplifting, fraud, or theft outside of a dwelling and the violation of a home. And another tangible difference if that home is occupied.