Quoted posts
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@[email protected] Yes, I've noticed that Megalodon also doesn't support blockquotes, but the web client definitely does (I just checked hachyderm), which is a great start.
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@julian so perhaps more an advocacy thing than a feature change?
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Little heads-up: So far, Hubzilla renders everything the way I guess it's intended. Nothing out of the ordinary.
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>How that is represented via ActivityPub is probably detailed in some FEP
FEP-e232? I think you can add
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infinite love ⴳreplied to Emelia 👸🏻 on last edited by
@thisismissem @julian @leroy @renchap I take the same view as @leroy as well -- you can render replies as a rich preview above every post that happens to be a reply. Discord does this, for example. In fact, if Mastodon did this, then they would only need a way to tell when to insert such "quote replies" into timelines and when not to. It could be as simple as a boolean toot:quoteReply = true. With management of the `replies` collection via FEP-7458 (and some proof/stamp mechanism like FEP-0391).
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@silverpill @thisismissem @julian I think you could define a Quote type that is a subclass of Link and use microsyntax to find-and-replace the blockquote with a rich entity with `content` or maybe even `preview`. But this generally makes sense only when you want that rich entity, and not just a "simple" blockquote.
Discourse for example uses [quote] tags kinda like bbcode, and they add metadata something like [quote author:someone,thread:2319,post:69] where the metadata is used in the preview.
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@[email protected] part of the reason we don't do this special syntax is because we (probably) made the conscious decision to keep the composer as simple as possible so that end users wouldn't have to relearn a bespoke syntax.
... but I'm not really sure anymore. My rationale could just be post facto lol
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@julian yeah, if you have a rich composer it's less bad. i don't think i've ever manually authored a quote tag in Discourse, for example. every single time i quote someone it's via the floating button that appears when you select something, or via the dropdown menu option
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For reference, Hubzilla renders both the same way.
If you "share" someone's post (what Mastodon users call a "quote post") is basically just:@[email protected]
[quote]Whatever they said.[/quote]
which gets translated to:@[email protected]
<blockquote>Whatever they said.</blockquote>
If someone quotes someone's post in a forum, it is the same exact thing.
And users can also add their own blockquotes to posts by using the BBCode[quote]tags too.
It's all blockquotes.
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The ability to arbitrarily and retroactively remove all traces of yourself from a discussion you had in public, via a quasi-persistent medium has always felt to me like a violation of everyone else in the discussion, but I, too, come from the forum space, where you just don’t do that. The microblogging space doesn’t seem to care, and the microblogging space currently dominates fedi. It kind of feels like a culture clash to me, and one of many reasons why forum-fedi and masto-fedi probably don’t need a whole lot of cross-over.
I know there are safety concerns around harassment campaigns and the like, and things should change and evolve in response to stuff like that. And it’s not at all clear to me how something like this interacts with the EU’s Right to be Forgotten. But forum users posting on forums, though distributed, are much less likely to be a disruption to those forums than masto users who don’t even know that they’re posting on forums, while behaving in ways that are normal for their space.
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Scott M. Stolzreplied to [email protected] on last edited by@Kichae Ideally, people should be notified that they are posting to a forum and not replying to a post on an individual channel, that way we can set some expectations in advance.
I am not sure how ActivityPub handles it, but Hubzilla somehow communicates with other Hubzilla instances that a particular channel is a forum. It's probably communicated in webfinger, or something like that.
Just having an icon, tag, or Bootstrap-style badge next to a channel saying "forum" would be helpful.
