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    @cregox said in Some questions 馃檪:

    but i'll bite. my masochistic self, that is. below is my last play on this topic for the foreseeable future.

    .... big snippage ....

    nope. i didn't. and i'm positive nobody is really understanding each other here (myself above all, of course), although we are all trying to spell every word on our mind while silently reading through, at some level.

    Perhaps you may want to invest some energies in reading comprehension. Being able to decode and understand the symbols of a second language does not necessarily equate to comprehending and it seems there may be an issue here.

    in my level, i stopped reading full posts at my previous one.

    How then, may one reply intelligently? Just cherry picking out bits here and there? Context can be everything when it comes to comprehension.

    When I read your posts, I actually read them. You seem to have a pretty decent vocabulary but I find myself confused as to what seems to be "word play". I do not speak anything other than US English. I am aware that other languages conjugate things differently, but I still find a significant bit of what you write challenging to grok. Hence, I find myself actually reading many of them twice.

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    @gotwf said in Some questions 馃檪:

    but I find myself confused as to what seems to be "word play".

    He's at least openly admitted that he's using words, like "free", to be subjective and not to mean what the word means in English. The problem is, doing so, is called lying when you say one thing and mean another. He's been open to that that is how he uses his words, but doesn't seem to want to take ownership for what that means.


  • @gotwf said in Some questions 馃檪:

    Perhaps you may want to invest some energies in reading comprehension. Being able to decode and understand the symbols of a second language does not necessarily equate to comprehending and it seems there may be an issue here.

    what do you mean by symbols there?

    How then, may one reply intelligently? Just cherry picking out bits here and there? Context can be everything when it comes to comprehension.

    When I read your posts, I actually read them. You seem to have a pretty decent vocabulary but I find myself confused as to what seems to be "word play". I do not speak anything other than US English. I am aware that other languages conjugate things differently, but I still find a significant bit of what you write challenging to grok. Hence, I find myself actually reading many of them twice.

    funny how you literally accused me of cherry picking, as if it was the most terrible thing to do, and then just did it, while losing my context...

    or perhaps my braindump there was too much, but still in the same post i did mention that i actually read most of it. more than twice, some times... and i went ahead to further explain what i meant in my next post, in another thread: my brain is completely tired of too much @scottalanmiller redundancy, and so i have to ignore him. it's just too much. for me.

    my english vocabulary is rather poor, or perhaps a bit above some averages, but since i do know words from more than 1 language perspective i even surprise myself with getting deeper meaning right, even after 2 natives thought i got it wrong. i did get it wrong for the common sense (about patronizing, in this instance)... which doesn't help me at all to write more clearly, evidently. freaking ego is too easy to inflate.

    in fact, even my childhood friend, close relatives and wife have problems to understand the portuguese words that come out of my mouth, almost always when i get philosophical.

    so i'm really not blaming anyone but myself here.

    still...

    some few people now and then (in both languages) just get me. because they come from similar perspectives and life experience. "context", in this context, is everything! in the sense of synchronicity.

    and my hope, as the portuguese saying goes, is the last one to perish (pretty positive there's an english one as well, that slips my mind). i always hope to be understood without needing further future efforts, today. they'll keep coming (my efforts), i'll keep trying to get better to communicate with people, as that is a goal in everyone's life. i just can't jump over there in so fast, for some reason.

    anyway...


    although most of my own writing in the last posts here in this topic are about our misunderstandings, i still wonder above all why nobody said a word about scuttlebutt!

    here, i'll even give a video i still haven't fullywatched myself, but first 11 minutes give a nice intro into it https://youtu.be/JSWWkzsHhjk

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    @cregox said in Some questions 馃檪:

    i still wonder above all why nobody said a word about scuttlebutt!

    I'm unclear what you want to be said about it.

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    Ah wait, Scuttlebutt, is a protocol! So not to be picky, but this is why capitalization is SO important. Because being a non-native speaker, which we try to allow for as much as is possible, the way that you were using "scuttlebutt", the word, seemed to play into your speech pattern. I literally had no idea until you posted the video that it is a protocol. And because it wasn't capitalized, it was just another part of the conversation. Awkward in how it was used, but it worked.

    But Scuttlebutt, capitalized, identifies it as a proper name rather than a word in the sentence. So, for me at least, I was totally confused and unclear why you wanted us to comment on gossip. But considering the protocol, that might be worth a response.

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    So I'm going to go back and read the use of it to figure out what the context was. But a quick look at Secure Scuttlebutt / SSB... it's a peer to peer gossip protocol meant for distributed, unreliable posting. Seems like a fine technology with digital signing. But I'm unclear where it would really play a role in the forum world.

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    @cregox said in Some questions 馃檪:

    try merging it with scuttlebutt for a true change! now THAT would be awesome!! most of what nodebb is is an interface, the ux. and that's also what scuttlebutt lacks the most.

    So you are thinking that a NodeBB based, or NodeBB style interface for Secure Scuttlebutt would be useful? That makes sense. Would be nice. I guess the question becomes, "What is the value of SSB as the backend?" As opposed to centralized databases like we have today. Feels like it would add a lot of complexity and I'm sure that there is some value in there in a real world use case, I'm just not sure where it would be, outside of maybe some really complex or fringe cases.

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    SSB is really focused on "social" like Facebook. Which is very different than forum software, IMHO. SSB in that space I can see making a lot of sense, potentially. But for a forum, I'm not seeing any value.

    Now, that doesn't mean that a forum "face" to SSB wouldn't be useful or the way to go. But fundamentally this feels more like window dressing. The core functionality of how forums work vs. gossip pages is a bit different. Not entirely, of course.

    But for example, forums are essentially public places where all posts matter and discussions must be centralized to make sense. The responses to a post are generally the value, not the post itself. In a social platform like Facebook it is the opposite, the post matters and not the responses (mostly), and you select who you want to see and who you don't.

    The underlying datastore could be similar. But the basic functionality is different. So SSB is designed around that, around posting personal things for a select group to see. Rather than designed around posting public things for everyone to debate.

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    @scottalanmiller Moreover, many forums are used as knowledge bases, tech support, etc. and hence do not tolerate "social media gossip", striving instead to diligently cultivate a very high signal to noise ratio to save end users/customers from having to sift thru a buttload of drivel.

    So, while Scuttlebutt, the protocol, at least upon cursory glance, piques my interest on the geek front, I also do not see how it would replace current backend db's.

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    @gotwf said in Some questions 馃檪:

    @scottalanmiller Moreover, many forums are used as knowledge bases, tech support, etc. and hence do not tolerate "social media gossip", striving instead to diligently cultivate a very high signal to noise ratio to save end users/customers from having to sift thru a buttload of drivel.

    So, while Scuttlebutt, the protocol, at least upon cursory glance, piques my interest on the geek front, I also do not see how it would replace current backend db's.

    Yeah, it's an interesting idea. I don't want to say anything negative about it. It just doesn't feel applicable to this realm. Might be awesome for the Facebook style realm.

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