Nobody hates working together with leftists more than other leftists
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The replacemets yes. But vegetarian food is so much more than just replacing meats. It's cooking completely different meals that taste great without anything meat related. And that absolutely is cheaper that eating meat.
There are valid reasons for veganism, but it's folderol to claim it's absolutely cheaper. For one example, sardines are fished sustainably and are very low in mercury, both because they're basically ocean mice. They're also all but impossible to nutritionally outperform for the price.
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Vegans poisoned our water supply, burned our crops, and delivered a plague onto our houses!
But they didn't slaughter our livestock. Gotta give 'em that.
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The replacemets yes. But vegetarian food is so much more than just replacing meats. It's cooking completely different meals that taste great without anything meat related. And that absolutely is cheaper that eating meat.
Who the fuck is downvoting this?
I love me some vegetarian and vegan meals that aren't pretending to be meat. They are their own thing and are fantastic. Heck, making a bean and meat chili with more beans and skipping the meat can be just as good. A lot of Mexican food is or can easily be made vegetarian by just leaving out the mean or switching for beans.
I also love meat! But I do need to eat it less often.
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That's called activism purism, I call it activism puritanism.
It's, again, a very conservative way of being an activist but somehow appears in leftist group.
But I can't shake the fact that there's limits, anything that feels like a personal choice but impact hugely others, like vaccination. -
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Calorie for calorie, no.
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Vegetables aren't the totality of my diet. As it stands now, vegan or vegetarian replacements for meat are more expensive than actual meat.
Depends on where you live, but sometimes tofu and tvp can be pretty cheap, plus there's always lentils in a pinch that's possibly some of the cheapest proteins in any given store.
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I'm a species-specific eater. I don't eat beef or pork because I like pigs and cows.
I do eat lamb, because sheep are idiots and I got kicked by one as a child.
Chickens would eat me if our sizes were reversed so they are fair game too. If you didn't want to get farmed you shoulda stayed T-Rex sized.
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That's called activism purism, I call it activism puritanism.
It's, again, a very conservative way of being an activist but somehow appears in leftist group.
But I can't shake the fact that there's limits, anything that feels like a personal choice but impact hugely others, like vaccination.i guess leftism has never really been abt choice. the co opting of proletarian forward ideals will always continue.
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I'm a species-specific eater. I don't eat beef or pork because I like pigs and cows.
I do eat lamb, because sheep are idiots and I got kicked by one as a child.
Chickens would eat me if our sizes were reversed so they are fair game too. If you didn't want to get farmed you shoulda stayed T-Rex sized.
I was about to disagree with you, but then I realized that some humans are certainly dumber than a mushroom
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I'm a species-specific eater. I don't eat beef or pork because I like pigs and cows.
I do eat lamb, because sheep are idiots and I got kicked by one as a child.
Chickens would eat me if our sizes were reversed so they are fair game too. If you didn't want to get farmed you shoulda stayed T-Rex sized.
How about gooses or ducks? Or deer? Or rabbits? I'm strangely intrigued.
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How about gooses or ducks? Or deer? Or rabbits? I'm strangely intrigued.
I have no quarrel with these animals
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Regarding your statement about morals, as I've stated before, the hyperbole would be meaningless if the creator (of the hyperbole) wouldn't find any truth or parallel in it.
There is truth and parallel in it. I don't make a difference between exploiting or killing humans and exploiting or killing animals (in fact, humans are animals, but that is another topic). So don't do it (unless your life depends on it, but that is a rare circumstance and for exploitation there's no excuse).
If this was not the intention behind your words, then I will gladly stand corrected.
The intention of my words was to express that bottom left guy is a misrepresentation of vegans in general because he depicts militant vegans who are a minority. Very few vegans would say you have to starve if your only way to survive was eating animals. And the top left guy is a misrepresentation because eggs (or any other animal parts) are not or should not be staple food.
To bring real life examples:
There are many pharmaceuticals that contain animal ingredients. But since that is necessary for living a healthy life vegans generally don't ask anybody to not take them if they need to (except for a very few who are sometimes very loud).
On the other hand, animal agriculture is heavily subsidized in the EU and most vegans (at least that I know of) strongly oppose these subsidies and advocate to shift subsidies towards more sustainable forms of agriculture.
We are neither okay with incentives to eat animal products (incentives as in subsidies to make animals very cheap, cheaper than they are) nor do we want people to starve or not get the medication they need. -
To be clear, I believe vegan/vegetarian is the morally correct position even though I do eat meat. My point is that if we worked together we could cause more good in the world than we do by fighting.
The vegan communities, in my experience, are pretty spiky. Even amongst vegans there's a huge rift, like they're competing on whose version is most ethical. It's turned me off actually interacting with them as I find my own balance of reducing suffering into this world.
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Getting the average omnivore down to the recommended 6-8 ounces of meat per day would make a tremendous difference on its own. I really didn’t know how much excess protein I was consuming until I made some vegan and vegetarian friends.
Woah 200g of meat a day is well sufficient... That is basically my max amount since I pretty much only have meat at dinner and that's more than a chicken breast which is the most amount of meat I'd consume at one time. I do consume quite a bit of dairy though (used to be cheese, but now for dieting reasons it's quark yogurts, milk, etc) and a few eggs, need that protein.
But the rest is all legumes, veggies, nuts, cereals, good carbs, etc. I'd struggle to eat more meat than that even when I didn't give a shit about my diet I think, but now that I do I also cut out all the non lean stuff so that does play a role.
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I'm a species-specific eater. I don't eat beef or pork because I like pigs and cows.
I do eat lamb, because sheep are idiots and I got kicked by one as a child.
Chickens would eat me if our sizes were reversed so they are fair game too. If you didn't want to get farmed you shoulda stayed T-Rex sized.
horse is good eating. good for the climate too, since horses require so much maintenance. if we eat'em, they're gone.
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Based meme. The left is fucked
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I'm a species-specific eater. I don't eat beef or pork because I like pigs and cows.
I do eat lamb, because sheep are idiots and I got kicked by one as a child.
Chickens would eat me if our sizes were reversed so they are fair game too. If you didn't want to get farmed you shoulda stayed T-Rex sized.
I've heard goats are like mushrooms
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There are valid reasons for veganism, but it's folderol to claim it's absolutely cheaper. For one example, sardines are fished sustainably and are very low in mercury, both because they're basically ocean mice. They're also all but impossible to nutritionally outperform for the price.
Obviously there are exceptions. But in general a vegetarion meal is cheaper in comparison to a meal with beef or something like that. That is true for most meats. So for an "average" meat eater it is cheaper.
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Who the fuck is downvoting this?
I love me some vegetarian and vegan meals that aren't pretending to be meat. They are their own thing and are fantastic. Heck, making a bean and meat chili with more beans and skipping the meat can be just as good. A lot of Mexican food is or can easily be made vegetarian by just leaving out the mean or switching for beans.
I also love meat! But I do need to eat it less often.
It's weird that I don't even know if the meat or the vegan hardcores are downvoting me. This place realy has develloped a few hardcore communities that don't care for stuff like "logic" or "having a real discussion"
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The right fights just as much, that’s not why you’re a loser
It’s not ‘nitpicking’, it’s literally life or death. If you don’t understand the vital importance of animal liberation you can’t understand the connections between colonialism or environmentalism either… then therefore it’s not ‘infighting’ it’s just fighting and you’re the dumb asshole that needs ‘smacked on the head’
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I have no quarrel with these animals
You have never been close to a goose than.
