Nobody hates working together with leftists more than other leftists
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The replacemets yes. But vegetarian food is so much more than just replacing meats. It's cooking completely different meals that taste great without anything meat related. And that absolutely is cheaper that eating meat.
Who the fuck is downvoting this?
I love me some vegetarian and vegan meals that aren't pretending to be meat. They are their own thing and are fantastic. Heck, making a bean and meat chili with more beans and skipping the meat can be just as good. A lot of Mexican food is or can easily be made vegetarian by just leaving out the mean or switching for beans.
I also love meat! But I do need to eat it less often.
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That's called activism purism, I call it activism puritanism.
It's, again, a very conservative way of being an activist but somehow appears in leftist group.
But I can't shake the fact that there's limits, anything that feels like a personal choice but impact hugely others, like vaccination. -
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Calorie for calorie, no.
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Vegetables aren't the totality of my diet. As it stands now, vegan or vegetarian replacements for meat are more expensive than actual meat.
Depends on where you live, but sometimes tofu and tvp can be pretty cheap, plus there's always lentils in a pinch that's possibly some of the cheapest proteins in any given store.
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That's called activism purism, I call it activism puritanism.
It's, again, a very conservative way of being an activist but somehow appears in leftist group.
But I can't shake the fact that there's limits, anything that feels like a personal choice but impact hugely others, like vaccination.i guess leftism has never really been abt choice. the co opting of proletarian forward ideals will always continue.
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I was about to disagree with you, but then I realized that some humans are certainly dumber than a mushroom
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How about gooses or ducks? Or deer? Or rabbits? I'm strangely intrigued.
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How about gooses or ducks? Or deer? Or rabbits? I'm strangely intrigued.
I have no quarrel with these animals
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I guess I should thank you for demonstrating how I'm twisting your words by doing the same?
"Is a woman’s unfertilized egg a baby?" <- That's a trap? Of course a woman's unfertilized is not a baby, nor is a fertilized one until born, since that would usually be defined as "embryo" (if being all pedantic). Though, a woman's unfertilized egg is an "animal product", as is a slice of meat.
Now, I've chosen to use "meat" as a synonym, or over-category, for "animal products". I realize that this generalization might be important for some, so let me apologize for this apparently vital oversight, I'll try to cut it out in cardboard from now on.
Regarding your statement about morals, as I've stated before, the hyperbole would be meaningless if the creator (of the hyperbole) wouldn't find any truth or parallel in it.
I've read your statement as "No vegan would ever say: You're eating meat, but that's all OK!", just a whole lot more demeaning and in perfect spirit of the original post.
And once again, to really cut it out and prevent these misunderstandings of mine, I read your statement as "Vegans will not morally lower themselves to omni standards".
If this was not the intention behind your words, then I will gladly stand corrected.
Regarding your statement about morals, as I've stated before, the hyperbole would be meaningless if the creator (of the hyperbole) wouldn't find any truth or parallel in it.
There is truth and parallel in it. I don't make a difference between exploiting or killing humans and exploiting or killing animals (in fact, humans are animals, but that is another topic). So don't do it (unless your life depends on it, but that is a rare circumstance and for exploitation there's no excuse).
If this was not the intention behind your words, then I will gladly stand corrected.
The intention of my words was to express that bottom left guy is a misrepresentation of vegans in general because he depicts militant vegans who are a minority. Very few vegans would say you have to starve if your only way to survive was eating animals. And the top left guy is a misrepresentation because eggs (or any other animal parts) are not or should not be staple food.
To bring real life examples:
There are many pharmaceuticals that contain animal ingredients. But since that is necessary for living a healthy life vegans generally don't ask anybody to not take them if they need to (except for a very few who are sometimes very loud).
On the other hand, animal agriculture is heavily subsidized in the EU and most vegans (at least that I know of) strongly oppose these subsidies and advocate to shift subsidies towards more sustainable forms of agriculture.
We are neither okay with incentives to eat animal products (incentives as in subsidies to make animals very cheap, cheaper than they are) nor do we want people to starve or not get the medication they need. -
The vegan communities, in my experience, are pretty spiky. Even amongst vegans there's a huge rift, like they're competing on whose version is most ethical. It's turned me off actually interacting with them as I find my own balance of reducing suffering into this world.
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Woah 200g of meat a day is well sufficient... That is basically my max amount since I pretty much only have meat at dinner and that's more than a chicken breast which is the most amount of meat I'd consume at one time. I do consume quite a bit of dairy though (used to be cheese, but now for dieting reasons it's quark yogurts, milk, etc) and a few eggs, need that protein.
But the rest is all legumes, veggies, nuts, cereals, good carbs, etc. I'd struggle to eat more meat than that even when I didn't give a shit about my diet I think, but now that I do I also cut out all the non lean stuff so that does play a role.
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horse is good eating. good for the climate too, since horses require so much maintenance. if we eat'em, they're gone.
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I've heard goats are like mushrooms
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There are valid reasons for veganism, but it's folderol to claim it's absolutely cheaper. For one example, sardines are fished sustainably and are very low in mercury, both because they're basically ocean mice. They're also all but impossible to nutritionally outperform for the price.
Obviously there are exceptions. But in general a vegetarion meal is cheaper in comparison to a meal with beef or something like that. That is true for most meats. So for an "average" meat eater it is cheaper.
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Who the fuck is downvoting this?
I love me some vegetarian and vegan meals that aren't pretending to be meat. They are their own thing and are fantastic. Heck, making a bean and meat chili with more beans and skipping the meat can be just as good. A lot of Mexican food is or can easily be made vegetarian by just leaving out the mean or switching for beans.
I also love meat! But I do need to eat it less often.
It's weird that I don't even know if the meat or the vegan hardcores are downvoting me. This place realy has develloped a few hardcore communities that don't care for stuff like "logic" or "having a real discussion"
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Can people please shut the fuck up about veganism for 5 seconds? Jesus christ, the dumbass infighting is why conservatives keep winning. Elon Musk and his nepo-baby "employees" are ransacking the federal government, ICE is rounding people up and trying to get neighbors to snitch on each other, several million people don't know how much longer they're going to be employed, and apparently we're about to build and then subsequently bankrupt casinos in Gaza, and leftists can't stop nitpicking over things that, yes, are important, but are the kind of thing we can slap fight over when the US isn't on fire. I swear to god, I'm gonna start smacking people upside the head.
The right fights just as much, that’s not why you’re a loser
It’s not ‘nitpicking’, it’s literally life or death. If you don’t understand the vital importance of animal liberation you can’t understand the connections between colonialism or environmentalism either… then therefore it’s not ‘infighting’ it’s just fighting and you’re the dumb asshole that needs ‘smacked on the head’
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I have no quarrel with these animals
You have never been close to a goose than.
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I was about to disagree with you, but then I realized that some humans are certainly dumber than a mushroom
Some? Around a third I would say.
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You have never been close to a goose than.
Never been close to a tiger either.
