aaaaaaaaaaaaaand there it is

[lashman@mastodon.social]

@stux they care more about "reach" (even if it's fake and mostly bots) than any morals

[ipg@wetdry.world]

@stux @lashman basically yeah it is hosted from them

i assume if you were using an appview (not frontend, backend that acts as like a "search engine" and cacher for PDS data) and PDS (personal data storage, this is where ur profile and whatever you upload lives) that weren't hosted by their company you wouldn't have to pay for any of this

[taschenorakel@mastodon.green]

@lashman Don't underestimate how important a gratis premium lunch is to people.

[lashman@mastodon.social]

@taschenorakel fair

[stux@mstdn.social]

@ipg @lashman I had such an idea indeed thanks!

But their sub system, is it also available for devs or only for their internal use?

So let's say someone else can setup a public "paid" server aside from Bsky

[aedius@lavraievie.social]

@lashman

Maybe they will down rank free account ?

[lashman@mastodon.social]

@Aedius probably, eventually

[stux@mstdn.social]

@ipg @lashman **I believe the Masto devs are also working on a "sub" system but without any changes to the account

So basically a in-home Patreon for donations It uses Stripe based API i believe but it's different from Bsky since it won't give any "benefits" and is only there to support the server admin from the hosted server

That way it makes a lot more sense! I still feel Bsky wants to own and contol everything

[lashman@mastodon.social]

@stux @ipg they 100% do, guaranteed!

[ipg@wetdry.world]

@stux @lashman that we don't know yet since it isn't implemented or even started work on, but i have to assume it'll be accessible for anyone hosting an appview and PDS

one of the devs (paul frazee) is pretty insistent on there being everything bluesky hosts as a self-hostable package, and acknowledges that bluesky as a business can fail and the network can live on

[swordgeek@mstdn.ca]

@lashman When Bluesky was first released, there was a clip from a lead developer who said "our goal is to be the best platform of it's type to be the go-to destination."

It was an interesting example of how pride and professionalism in one's work can lead to a toxic and pointless competition to be #1.

[maikel@vmst.io]

@lashman in other words, federation no longer a priority.

[lashman@mastodon.social]

@maikel definitely not

[maikel@vmst.io]

@lashman more should be said about the fact a subscription model means dropping the entire premise of a federated service.

I think that's the biggest issue and loss of unique-selling point of a brand ever.

Is like,

> now we're charging you for the music you play in your car...by the way we took away the wheels and you can no longer go to places with it. ENJOY!!

#bluesky #bluescam

[grumpybozo@toad.social]

@lashman One problem there…
If AT Proto is really open, such that anyone can write clients and servers, they don’t really have the power to deny “features” to anyone.

(Note: big “if”)

[vascorsd@mastodon.social]

@lashman and we know that will work and they will make lots of money and have lots of users because it's the same shit discord has done and people love that shit.

[lashman@mastodon.social]

@vascorsd unfortunately, yes :sadness:

[legion495@mk.absturztau.be]

@[email protected] Now that one is real?

[lashman@mastodon.social]

@Legion495 yes, of course

[darkmetatron@rollenspiel.social]

@lashman
Providing a Platform for thousands or even millions of customers is expensive, and the money has to come from somewhere.
The content filtering and policing required by law in most countries alone eats money like a hungry hungry hippo!

They either have to push ads, sell user data or have paid accounts (or all 3 like X/Twitter does).