Terrorism
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greenknight23@lemmy.worldreplied to synae[he/him] last edited by
it's not political because politics shouldn't have anything to do with healthcare.
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greenknight23@lemmy.worldreplied to geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml last edited by
the funny thing about Sicilians...
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appletea@lemmy.zipreplied to greenknight23@lemmy.world last edited by
kinda depends on your definition of politics
the one I heard that I think is the most useful is, On the broadest level, Politics is how societies decide how and where resources are distributed
by that definition, healthcare can only be a political question, cus no matter how you set it up, you've made a decision about how it's staffed and funded, who it caters to and what its goals are
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finitebanjo@lemmy.worldreplied to synae[he/him] last edited by
Luigi didn't make any political demands. He just said this CEO was a bad man and so he killed them.
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synae[he/him]replied to greenknight23@lemmy.world last edited by
You say "shouldn't", but until that's true, it does
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synae[he/him]replied to finitebanjo@lemmy.world last edited by
No specific demands, but this was absolutely not only about the man Brian Thompson, and very much about larger political and economic issues in the country.
...If the manifesto is to be believed, anyway. I understand not everyone trusts the veracity/provenance of it, and that's a reasonable doubt to have.
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finitebanjo@lemmy.worldreplied to synae[he/him] last edited by
I saw the Manifesto and I didn't see any socioeconomic political theories, just an apology to the police but "it had to be done."
If it said "The system of privatized health insurance is evil as a result of failure of legislation to restrain the actions of an industry" THEN that would be political, but it didn't say that at all.
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vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.worksreplied to marcos@lemmy.world last edited by
Spongebob canonically has a skeleton, we see it multiple times. Maybe its cartilage like a shark.
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goodeye8@lemm.eereplied to finitebanjo@lemmy.world last edited by
The reason for "it had to be done" is political.
Obviously the problem is more complex, but I do not have space, and frankly I do not pretend to be the most qualified person to lay out the full argument. But many have illuminated the corruption and greed (e.g.: Rosenthal, Moore), decades ago and the problems simply remain. It is not an issue of awareness at this point, but clearly power games at play. Evidently I am the first to face it with such brutal honesty.
He explicitly states that he does not have the "space" nor the qualification to lay out what you want him to lay out, but he pretty much says what you said he should've said for it to be political: "Privatized health insurance is corrupt and greedy, we've known it for a long time and nothing has been done to prevent or stop it, thus I took a more violent approach to do something about the corruption and greed."
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finitebanjo@lemmy.worldreplied to goodeye8@lemm.ee last edited by
There are a lot of murders and I'm sure every single non-negligience murderer thinks theirs had to be done, mate.
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orcrist@lemm.eereplied to finitebanjo@lemmy.world last edited by
My understanding is that Luigi did not publish the manifesto, and that it was discovered by others later. If that's true, then the manifesto itself is not particularly relevant to anything criminal. The message on the bullets could be considered relevant, but I don't see how that alone would be proof of intent to terrorize.
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orcrist@lemm.eereplied to carbonicedragon@pawb.social last edited by
You can certainly interpret the killing that way, but there are many other reasonable interpretations, and to get a conviction you need proof beyond a reasonable doubt. Do we have a quote of him saying before the murder or publishing at any time something indicating that he was killing this guy to send a message to all the evil m************ who act just like him? If we do, your conclusion is warranted. If we don't, your conclusion is speculation.
Let me give you a parallel. Imagine someone cuts me off in traffic and I pull out a gun and I shoot them. Am I terrorizing other bad drivers? Probably not. Probably I'm a psychopath dealing with road rage in a terrible fashion. In other words, the fact that other people can draw conclusions about similar behavior does not in itself make my actions threatening to them in any way.
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goodeye8@lemm.eereplied to finitebanjo@lemmy.world last edited by
But the reason why they think it had to be done still matters. "This CEO wronged me personally" and "the systemic oppression made me do it" contextualize the act in a very different way. The reason he did this is why it's political. If he had done it because he had a personal vendetta against the CEO or he had some religious beliefs that made him do it or if he was just insane, then it wouldn't be a political reason. But he did it because (paraphrasing his statement) he saw an unopposed corrupt system that needed to be opposed. That is a political reason.
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geedubhayduke@lemmy.dbzer0.comreplied to greenknight23@lemmy.world last edited by
What does King Koopa have to do with any of this?
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monkdervierte@lemmy.mlreplied to gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de last edited by
is accused of saying "Delay, deny, depose, you people are next
Which is.... illegal now?
Free speech for me but not for thee, huh?
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greenknight23@lemmy.worldreplied to geedubhayduke@lemmy.dbzer0.com last edited by
just watch this.
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finitebanjo@lemmy.worldreplied to goodeye8@lemm.ee last edited by
No, its not. Brian Thompson wasn't a legislator. He was a civillian who made money off of others hardships.
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goodeye8@lemm.eereplied to finitebanjo@lemmy.world last edited by
Do you think killing someone is political only if the targets are politicians?
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saledovil@sh.itjust.worksreplied to cm0002@lemmy.world last edited by
Technically, he is a terrorist, since he targeted a civilian for political or ideological reasons. Doesn't change the fact that his victim was absolute scum.
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they also charged martin luther king jr, nelson mandela, and gandhi with terrorism too so he's in good company.