I need to reiterate for people who are waffling on whether they’re going to leave the US next year it is not easy.
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Lesley Carhart :unverified:replied to Lesley Carhart :unverified: last edited by
However, all of these things have the same thing in common: time, money, and a lot of planning. You can’t just decide to move to Canada if you’re not a Canadian same with any country people are talking about going to legally.
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Lesley Carhart :unverified:replied to Lesley Carhart :unverified: last edited by
There are digital nomad visas. There are apprenticeship programs for in demand repair skills in several countries. There are countries where you can open a business with a substantial investment, but nothing insane.
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Fi, infosec-aspected 🏳️⚧️replied to Lesley Carhart :unverified: last edited by
It's entirely out of reach for a lot of us. I don't get to have the option.
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@munin @hacks4pancakes people have no idea how trapped they really are, it's fucked
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Lesley Carhart :unverified:replied to Lazarou Monkey Terror 🚀💙🌈 last edited by
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@hacks4pancakes
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Lesley Carhart :unverified:replied to Mr. E. Grey Seale last edited by
@geichel it does depend on how rural you’re willing to be and work, though. Some countries are more amenable to people fixing up houses in the country.
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Esther Payne :bisexual_flag:replied to Lesley Carhart :unverified: last edited by
@hacks4pancakes @Lazarou @munin Timing matters so much for this. We moved before just before the Brexit vote to France, we also timed our application for Article 50 residency really carefully. We sacrificed a lot.
It does take time, patience and money. The earlier you plan and start the better.
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Patrick Lam :tinoflag:replied to Esther Payne :bisexual_flag: last edited by
@onepict @hacks4pancakes @Lazarou @munin or luck, but it's hard to plan on that. I got lucky twice: with my parents moving to Canada before I was born, and with my spouse being in NZ on a work visa in 2022 (though that was also in part planned based on a hunch)
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Esther Payne :bisexual_flag:replied to Patrick Lam :tinoflag: last edited by
@va2lam @hacks4pancakes @Lazarou @munin Indeed some luck does play into it. Luck of circumstances.
Although I do find myself a little irritated when friends say "you're so lucky", when I structured my life to work from home, not have a financial safety net or family nearby.
Some of the luck is from seeing that I could leave and doing it. I think sometimes luck is knowing you are open to an opportunity, so you know to grasp it when you see it.
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Fi, infosec-aspected 🏳️⚧️replied to Esther Payne :bisexual_flag: last edited by
@onepict @va2lam @hacks4pancakes @Lazarou
Kind of off topic, but I've been coming around to the notion that luck is a skill, and one you can practice -
not so much that events will necessarily happen in your favor of themselves,
but that by cultivating opportunities for wins - like how you mention, structuring your life to enable certain kinds of work - then you'll be able to take advantage of events when they do show up.
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@munin @va2lam @hacks4pancakes @Lazarou I think there is something to that. I've found that over the years knowing what I want means I see the door open.
When I've been closed off and confused about what I want I miss out.
I also think about Karma, like if you're awful to people they won't soften your fall. But conversely if you try to help folks then if they see a way to help you they will. Plus I think it's a better state of mind to be spreading help around. More eyes to see the doors
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Esther Payne :bisexual_flag:replied to Esther Payne :bisexual_flag: last edited by [email protected]
@munin @va2lam @hacks4pancakes @Lazarou But to be honest, I've always loved being able to help out others quietly.
When you can help someone out and make a difference it's a little bit like putting pixie dust out into the world.
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Fi, infosec-aspected 🏳️⚧️replied to Esther Payne :bisexual_flag: last edited by
@onepict @va2lam @hacks4pancakes @Lazarou
heh, for me, I just like being a cryptid - someone who shows up out of nowhere, helps out, and vanishes.
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Ah ha!
Reminds me of this stanza by Dorothy Parker. It's one of my favourite poems.
"I am sister to the rain;
Fey and sudden and unholy,
Petulant at the windowpane,
Quickly lost, remembered slowly." -
Patrick Lam :tinoflag:replied to Esther Payne :bisexual_flag: last edited by
@onepict @hacks4pancakes @Lazarou @munin Yeah. So clearly I had no say in where my parents immigrated to, but for getting the NZ resident visa, I had the privilege to be able to follow the trends and guess to how it might go, so that we got the super streamlined resident visas.
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@munin @onepict @hacks4pancakes @Lazarou I do believe in the notion of arranging to be in the right place at the right time.
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Esther Payne :bisexual_flag:replied to Patrick Lam :tinoflag: last edited by [email protected]
@va2lam @hacks4pancakes @Lazarou @munin I think it takes a bit of bravery to leave where you grew up.
Sometimes you have no choice, and like it's traumatic, but at the same time it means it's easier to leave.
Which from my own rather local privileged experience makes it easier.
Once you've had your idea of a stable world view torn away, you can choose to see the world as it is.
The challenge is to open yourself up to other folks and to listen to how to help others, and keep listening
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Esther Payne :bisexual_flag:replied to Patrick Lam :tinoflag: last edited by
@va2lam @munin @hacks4pancakes @Lazarou that's kinda serendipity
