I just sent the final proofs of the #ActivityPub book to the editors at O'Reilly.
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Evan Prodromoureplied to Evan Prodromou on last edited by
@everton137 their big advantage over ActivityPub is a unified stack. There's one client, one server, and one user experience. Signing up for BS is just like signing up for a really faithful Twitter clone.
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Evan Prodromoureplied to Evan Prodromou on last edited by [email protected]
@everton137 I don't think the AT protocol will outlast BlueSky, the company.
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Evan Prodromoureplied to Evan Prodromou on last edited by
@everton137 if you really want to reach the BlueSky community, do it through the safety of the BridgyFed bridge. Develop for ActivityPub, and let BlueSky users reach your product through the bridge.
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@everton137 I've already written about BlueSky and what a dangerous distraction it is.
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@evan yes, that was my question. Your explanation is clear. And you raised important points the general public doesn't know. Again, thanks for sharing.
If I'm reading arguments from developers comparing both protocols, I think it's fair enough to ask. I hope more people can be aware of it. It's easy to follow the trend established by those with money.
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@evan is it somewhere I could read and share?
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@everton137 the one good part about BlueSky is that it's challenged us to do better with ActivityPub. They pointed out that AP's data portability isn't great; we're making a new extension, LOLA, that makes moving between servers a breeze.
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Evan Prodromoureplied to Evan Prodromou on last edited by
@everton137 the reason we are moving faster and doing better work on ActivityPub is variety. There are 100+ implementations of ActivityPub on the fediverse right now. Hundreds of developers making cool new clients and servers. Dozens who are defining extensions and building specs. It's a really lively period.
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@evan how about something that facilitates customer-side cooperative association to counter enshittification and monopoly? Generalized and dynamic global disintermedition between producers and consumers.
Should keep you busy a while.
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Evan Prodromou (@[email protected])
'Prodromou, however, has strong words for any organization looking to enter social media with a new decentralized social media protocol. “I’m not interested in any protocol besides ActivityPub,” he says. “Anyone working on brand new protocols in 2023 should stop immediately. They are going to do more harm than good."' This may be surprising for people who have known me for a long time. I've generally been supportive of trying new protocols and tools.
Prodromou.pub (prodromou.pub)
http://evanp.me/2023/10/06/activitypub-the-socialcg-and-the-social-web/
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@johnefrancis I was joking. I already have too many projects.
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Evan Prodromoureplied to Evan Prodromou on last edited by
@everton137 I've got a lot going on over the next few weeks, but I'm going to try to find time to write an explainer about BlueSky. I agree, we probably need some better guidance out there. I don't really want to give them any oxygen or attention, but I'd rather have this stuff clear.
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@evan I'm quite disappointed to see so many Brazilians migrating to Bluesky. But I don't blame them. I see the logic to be where the crowd is if you don't know the importance of points you raised.
Unfortunately it appears only a few people, as compared to the big tech social media, are aware of it.
It was more disappointing to see people continuing to use x tho.
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@everton137 Absolutely. You saw that we have had 2M new users since August on the Fediverse, right?
We're seeing a lot of growth here.
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@evan @everton137 bummed that you have such a negative public take on atproto and Bluesky and see it as antagonistic and "dangerous".
I have a huge respect for ActivityPub and the folks involved, including you. I think we are all working towards the same goals, there is no final word on protocols/architecture/governance/regulation in this space, and that there is a lot of room for collaboration.
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@evan @everton137 even if folks don't trust Jay and the Bluesky board (who are the relevant individuals and stakeholders-holders for the future of the org), we are working in the open and everybody can read and learn from our experiments, successes, and failures. We totally endorse inter-operation efforts like bridgy fed, and collaboration on overlapping needs like identity systems, OAuth, and E2EE.
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Hey, Bryan. I like that BlueSky, the social network, is an active part of the Fediverse through BridgyFed.
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@evan @everton137 our active users are going down however.
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Evan Prodromoureplied to Evan Prodromou on last edited by
@bnewbold @everton137 I moderated some of the language in this thread.
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@everton137 I recommend doing your own research. Some of the points being made about BSky don't appear accurate to me. I see a lot of community involvement in developing alternative UIs and other components of the stack (like tagging). There has been talk about having parts of ATProto standardized at the IETF, but they're waiting until the architecture is mature and proven (unlike AP). As a "losing" protocol, they gained 4MM new users just in the last month. 2x the MAU of the Fediverse.
