once again I fucking hate dtolnay for blocking reflection in rust so that his macro work doesn't become obsolete
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@[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] they were so close to doing the right thing by tossing Ringer out on his ass. Then the last thing I saw, they posted this thing about how now they were going to have weekly checkins to make sure poor old Ringer didn't have his feelings hurt and that he approved of everything going on and I noped the fuck out.
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@hipsterelectron @aud @jonny but it's a mistake to think that simply starting a new community solves these problems - separatism as a strategy doesn't work because these are human problems and we bring humans with us. at best, separatism can buy some breathing room for a coherent approach to community leadership and governance to win out.
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@hipsterelectron @aud @jonny the hard part, no matter what, is still actually getting everyone to agree on such an approach and then follow through on it.
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@aud @jonny @hipsterelectron oh the racist militarist accellerationists are bored with the conflict they started and are perpetuating? too damn bad
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@aud @jonny @hipsterelectron yes we dug very deep into it at the time, which is why we're able to bear witness. it was not easy parsing through everything, even as someone on the inside.
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@[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] it takes money and time, something a lot of people who have ethics and are interested in community are seemingly without for some strange reason.
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@aud not that we're aware of. one reason it makes such a solid sinecure is that the thing it is, is inherently really messy inside.
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@aud that isn't quite the right word, but we don't think there is an existing word for that strategy of using a piece of critical infrastructure as a way to assert personal power
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@[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] I appreciate you saying I have the right of it, basically; I followed along with it very closely because I follow ThePhD and when I heard about it, my hairs raised as it seemed like classic textbook discrimination (the kind 'easily' hand-waved away by people who want to ignore it) and kept following it... and watching in disappointment as people who seemed 'nice' did their best to continue letting it happen.
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@[email protected] I can feel my spite gland being activated, and now I'm tempted to see if I CAN re-write without serde. I really, really hate it.
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@aud we're working on our own parsing framework as we speak but it is not and will never be a drop-in replacement. we don't actually like the thing serde does, heh.
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@ireneista @aud @jonny wish i could solve other problems during that immensely long time span instead of the same ones again
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@[email protected] (I did look up the word and I was pretty sure I had the gist of it; and this confirms it. Also, thank you for teaching me a new word!)
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@ireneista @aud @jonny rust itself as the result of a separatist approach bears this out
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@[email protected] But this particular thing seems common in tech. Gargamel and mastodon spring to mind as well, for not-as-bad but definitely-not-good reasons.
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@hipsterelectron @aud @jonny it's the problem. it's the fundamental conflict that goes back to early human prehistory and has never, at any point, been properly solved: how do we get people to talk through their shit?
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@[email protected] I actually don't like it either, to be honest. I kind of really hate what it seems to be aiming for.
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@[email protected] Like I'm using serde_json because it is there, but in truth I really don't need all of fucking serde and I'm basically having to implement a shit ton of my own serialization/deserialization logic in order to make things work and having to work around the limits set in place by serde.
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@hipsterelectron @aud @jonny exactly. good point.
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@[email protected] From my naive point of view, serde seems to work well when your data structure and input/output match perfectly and it's basically just... that's all it does?
This is almost definitely an oversimplification, but I'm like, when the hell do things line up neatly 1:1 like that.
