Damn, that BcacheFS developer is really unhinged.
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What's the point of having rules of behavior if they aren't enforced?
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@Corb_The_Lesser @popey @thelinuxEXP
1) Blind adherence to "the rules" brings us to a hellish society with low trust and favor those with authoritarian inclinations.
2) Countless cases in history where "the rules" were created with the interests of an elite and the detriment of "the majority". Jaywalking, for example. Do you think everyone crossing the street on a red light should be fined?
3) Why are you talking about "enforced", if the point I am talking about is "no good due process"?
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@raphael @Corb_The_Lesser @thelinuxEXP
Strawman. Nobody mentioned blind adherence. Indeed, most codes of conduct have changed and improved over time. They usually have a process for escalation of disagreement. This isn't a gulag.
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@popey @Corb_The_Lesser @thelinuxEXP
I am responding to this idea that "rules are only worth anything if they can be enforced", not any specific team that published a CoC and kept it as ultimate doctrine.
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@raphael @popey @thelinuxEXP Adults view membership in a group as incurring an obligation to honor the rules and standards of the group and accepting the consequences if they don't.
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@Corb_The_Lesser @popey @thelinuxEXP
No disagreement here. But you are failing to address the main point: different people will have different Interpretations in regards to the rules, and they will also have different opinions about what should be the consequences for each violation.
So, yes, while in principle I am on board with the idea of a "Code", I also understand those who disengage out of fear of being unfairly being accused of anything.
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@raphael @popey @thelinuxEXP Yes, if you don't like the group's rules or the way you're being treated, you have the option of leaving the group.
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@Corb_The_Lesser @popey @thelinuxEXP
So, yeah, not only you are doubling down on promoting mob rules, you are being overly aggressive for no reason.
I guess it's time to leave you to your own self-righteousness. Have a good one.
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@raphael @Corb_The_Lesser @popey @thelinuxEXP I think you'd have an easier time playing devils advocate if you weren't doing so in the context of bcachefs. Have you kept up with his arguments with Linus? He literally thinks he's above the rules of contributing to the kernel.
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@matkeith @[email protected] @popey @thelinuxEXP
You are right, I am not at all aware of what's going in this case.
What I am saying though is this belief that "we would have no problem if everyone just followed CoCs" is misguided, *precisely* because teams can be so diverse in backgrounds and values, which leads to different ideas of what is offensive or not, what is appropriate or not, what is "light humor" and what is "gross and discriminatory", etc, etc.
