Is there a "normie" or more mainstream instance for Lemmy?

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I not sure that "got yelled at" is a great metric. On L.W., it probably depends on the community a bit but it's not likely they're getting yelled at by a mod, or having their post/comment deleted, right? No one's going to ban their account there.

In terms of users -- except for the bad places -- everywhere is "here." You can block people that are being exceptionally dickish too.

And, real talk, you can say "it's a beautiful day today" and there'll be two dildos that downvote you and maybe someone that's like "not everywhere!!!" Don't let it get ya down.

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That's funny because the majority of Lemmy.World are people who left Reddit during the 3rd party app-ocolypse.

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a large userbase so as to ensure there’s content to enjoy.

That's not a requirement. Yeah, it takes some getting used to the idea that people might have to be the first to "discover" a community in order to have it in the frontpage, but even my modest instance is well connected enough as to not seem empty to newcomers.

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It's a circling the drain problem. Even though Lemmy is (slowly) expanding.

Lemmy doesn't have the raw numbers userbase to just have anyone come in, and find a niche topic with an active community.

But because any average user can't come in and just find their niche community, they don't stay.

Meanwhile politics HAS active communities. So politics grow. And thats where Lemmy is growing.

But I can't find a community for "How I met your mother". A tv show that concluded like 10 years ago. But the show takes place in the future, recounting stories from "the past". Which means, in real life, Tracy, the mother who Ted is talking about, died in 2024. The story is being told in 2036. But the show aired in real time during "the past". Which means if Ted is talking about April 2008, that episode aired in April 2008. But the whole 9 8 seasons (real fans don't count the 9th season that never happened) is being told in one afternoon in 2036. Which means we could be talking about the last ciggerrette of each character as they happen in real time. I think the next one is in 2028.

Instead.......we talk about trump here.....and seemingly nothing else. Ever.

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I'm making a poll on Mastodon to see if it's a matter of sample bias.

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Ok, I think that my current sample is biased, so I need the fine folks here to help me clear up one thing: When you hear about an instance called "communick.com", what is your first association? [ ] Communism [ ] Communication

Communick Social (mastodon.communick.com)

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Last season was great. It was only the finale that sucked...

(and, yes, if you want a HIMYM community, just let me know and I can make it on https://metacritics.zone/)

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Then you are technically left. Although leninists Will loudly denounce anyone who doesn't follow their authoritarian ideology as being no true Scotsman.

Capitalism as I stated above is regulated by capital. Anything other than capital regulating capitalism is not capitalism. The whole point of capitalism is that Capital regulates itself. If you want something other than Capital regulating capitalism, i e the people or government. Then you are against Capital regulating itself. And therefore anti-capitalist.

The tricky bit is. That wealthy oligarchs have spent centuries at this point conflating markets and capitalism. They are two different things. Markets have existed for centuries, Millennium even. It's one of man's oldest inventions. Coming right about the same time as agriculture. Predating capitalism by thousands of years. Capitalism as a concept is barely older than the United States itself.

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Although I'd agree that lemmygrad, lemmy.ml, and hexbear are far-left, with only one specifically right-wing instance that I can think of, I don't think that most of the remaining Lemmy users on lemmy.world, lemmy.dbzer0.com, lemm.ee, beehaw.org, or any of the other big Lemmy instances are particularly extreme in their views.

On average, Lemmy users do seem to be more left-wing than right-wing, probably due to right-wing Redditors being less likely to mind Reddit's monetization of its userbase, and more likely to mind its far-left instances.

While I don't think Lemmy should encourage far-right users to join, given that racism and bigotry degrade any platform that allows such speech, I do think that those on the right who are not extreme and are capable of having thoughts independent of the MAGA cult should be welcomed on any instance, given that echo chambers only serve to propagate existing views, rather than foster discussion.

The key part in joining any instance are the instances that either block it or are blocked by it, so perhaps one that blocks lemmygrad, lemmy.ml, and hexbear by default, while minimizing the number of instances that in turn block it, would be optimal to have access to as many communities as possible.

Here's a list of Lemmy instances by number of instances blocked and blocking, for reference. Seems to not be quite up-to-date, and can't find the instance I'm on on the list, but it should still be somewhat helpful for comparing. Personally, I prefer being on an instance with as few blocks as possible (implementing those blocks instead on a user level as a means of curating my all feed), since the Lemmy community is already small enough as it is, but new users might not want to have to configure those blocks themselves.

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(as one girl, who volunteered for the Democrats said "I just got yelled at because I can't be Left wing unless I want to destroy capitalism? Which feels weird.")

I get why folks do it, but I'm not sure if they're going to get people to embrace their philosophy, if they keep jeering at other people like this. There are more cordial ways that one can acknowledge the benefits while showing why the drawbacks outweigh them.

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An idea would be to allow "plug-in able" content sorting algorithms or content filters.

I hear so many stories of people slapping tons of filters in their clients (block all comments from ml users, block "Elon" and/or "Trump" keywords)... I think tons of people are running almost identical filters. Why not bake right into the Lemmy core the ability to pull filter sets from say, a public got repo?

Same with sorting. I'd love to have a "hot" algorithms that "punishes" posts based on comment sentiment analysis. Again, let me choose my sorting algorithm from a git repo. Let some person or persons develop a "good vibes" algorithm which keeps toxity off the top of my feed.

IMO, this is the way. Sorting by engagement has obvious issues. Introducing other weights to augment a system would make a huge difference in user experience.

You can't change the people. Look at this comment section. OP said they don't want to be yelled at and everyone took that cue to give a lecture. Completely no self awareness. Can't change that.

But you can improve the algorithm. And IMO if you could crowdsource that dev in a way that doesn't impose on mainline development.

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Queer people like myself are currently in the crosshairs and don’t have the energy or patience to put up with this shit.

I’ve been screaming from the top of my lungs since 2000!!!! about how we were heading towards fascism and nobody listened. I’m out of fucks to give. If they’re too stupid to see it that’s on them.

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I think the way to do it would be this but you probably can do it a lot more ways.

Lemmy (and the fediverse as a whole) are not supposed to be a drop in replacement for reddit and other corpo media. No central moderation or "direction", just a ton of servers with very varying user counts, ideas and ways to do things.

When on the fediverse, you will definitely encounter bad stuff. You will learn to use the block button and maybe block whole instances. Thats how you make your own "bubble".

Since the fediverse is federated, horizontally organized and has freedom of association, it is hugely different from any other social gathering in the outside world. All our Lives we live in hierarchical structures: Families (more or less), Schools, Companies, etc. That can be the reason why it feels alien. But I dare you to try and see if "freedom" cant feel nice to you.

It will never feel like reddit or other places on the corpo web. If you need that, its not the place for you. If you can be open to a new experience and just decide between listening to an opinion or blocking it, you might have a lot of fun. Good luck

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The beauty of the fediverse is, they're already here. They may be just like you, wondering where the content they're looking for is, but unwilling to get the ball rolling. If no one starts it, it never happens.

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It's a bit more like:

Capitalism creates the material conditions that promote fashism
Democrates aren't fashists, but they keep capitalism
The material conditions that promote fashism end up happening and fashism props up
Fashists end up getting elected

The point isn't that the Democrats are fashists, but that they would rather continue support the thing that litterally empowers fashism rather than doing anything else. Kinda like a person who refuses to get vaccinated and spreads a disease to everyone else.

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Might take a look at the instance I’m on. Lemmy.sdf.org. It’s pretty chill, and SDF has been doing the social media thing since the 80’s without much issue. Started as a dial up BBS devoted to anime back in the day. Leans anime, music/art generally and computers. Supported via donations.

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That’s the thing though American politics get discussed here. With their perceptions of left and right.

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Can an instance block individual communities? I would think if users just don't subscribe to the political and then set the feed view to subscribed that should sort it out for them.

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Yeah, I like all these ideas. I wondered about some sort of pooled "ban/ignore" options at the individual level. So, rather than ignoring by an instance, if I trust that Janet has good tastes and filters out children and trump, maybe I can just have an ongoing list that draws from her blocks and vice versa if she feels similar.

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According to capitalism, capitalism is the only regulation capitalism needs. Capitalism regulated by something other than capitalism is anti-capitalism.

Respectfully, I don't think this is true.

Even Adam Smith warned about the dangers of monopolies and the fact that businesses would try to crate them, collide againat consumers etc. That's kind of the foundation of anti trust legislation.

Now, modern republicans have endorsed the view of capitalism that you've noted but to say that's the how Capitalism works is like saying Soviet Russia is how communism works.

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Yeah, that's exactly what I'm talking about. I really like the idea of people with likewise sensibilities being able to act as their own cross-community mod team, without impacting other groups with different sensibilities.