Honestly, if you’re in the US, please vote.

[dan613@ottawa.place]

@mastodonmigration @benroyce @gwm @WAHa_06x36 @johnstonphilip @Mourioche The American system and history doesn't make it easy for *any* US president to change its stance on Israel. I doubt Stein could achieve much different without significant blowback.

[mastodonmigration@mastodon.online]

@dan613 @benroyce @gwm @WAHa_06x36 @johnstonphilip @Mourioche

True, but a newly elected president with substantial majorities in both houses of congress would have a lot more options.

[whknott@mastodon.social]

@gooba42 @benroyce @NZedAUS @gwm @WAHa_06x36 @baconandcoconut This. If there is ranked voting, you must have the option to abstain from continuing your list at some point. Even if it's after the first person.

[gooba42@mastodon.social]

@whknott @benroyce @NZedAUS @gwm @WAHa_06x36 @baconandcoconut

I don't feel like we're well served by "It's either my way or I'm not going to participate at all" which is what this amounts to.

In a theoretical "3 Trumps vs Harris" match up, I might have a hard time ranking the Trumps but under virtually any other circumstances I would have clear preferences.

[gregarcus@mastodon.world]

@gooba42 @whknott @benroyce @NZedAUS @gwm @WAHa_06x36 @baconandcoconut

If I understand ranked choice voting, you don't have to vote for all the candidates. Say there are 4 candidates. You can vote for 1, 2, 3, or all of them, or none of them.

[benroyce@mastodon.social]

@GregArcus @gooba42 @whknott @NZedAUS @gwm @WAHa_06x36 @baconandcoconut

exactly

you can use your ranked choice ballot as if you were still in a fptp voting system and just mark "1" next to who you want to vote for

Of course the real power is you also get to mark a "2" for your second choice, that your vote will flow to, if your "1" choice doesn't prevail

Etc., etc. for "3", "4", "5"...

[paulwermer@sfba.social]

@gwm @ducksauz @WAHa_06x36 @johnstonphilip @benroyce @Mourioche

Stunned by the combination of self righteous arrogance and ignorance and flawed logic of those who insist voting for Stein is OK because they would not for Harris - all because of concern for Palestinians.

A logic that ignores what Trump has already done and will do , and not voting for Harris effectively leaves a vote for Trump that still needs to be offset.

[raccoon@techhub.social]

@gwm @ducksauz @WAHa_06x36 @johnstonphilip @benroyce @Mourioche
We are looking at two separate things then, because from everything I have seen, Harris is the candidate who keeps talking about the need for a ceasefire and general de-escalation, while Trump has outright stated that he wants to give Netanyahu bigger bombs, more leeway, and deport all Palestinians Because he claims they are all criminals and terrorists. He has even literally said he wants to have protesters shot.

Kamala Harris will allow Palestinians who are here to stay where it's safe until it's over, Kamala Harris will support food and medical aid to the people there, and Kamala Harris will be more aggressive about forcing the Israeli government into peace negotiations.

The difference is night and day.

At the end of the election, the only way to stop this will to pressure whoever wins. The odds are a lot better with Harris than they are with Trump.

[raccoon@techhub.social]

@Gargron
I am highly concerned, as a moderator on this platform, that if Trump wins, there is a certainty that he will let Elon Musk call the shots at the #FCC and #FEC as a kickback for his full support for the campaign, which will directly threaten the North #American #Fediverse #servers. I need to post the full endorsement here, but I am definitely telling people on this network that they need to VOTE FOR KAMALA HARRIS, if for no other reason than to keep our comms open.

[nicdex@techhub.social]

@Raccoon this is why, if Trump wins, I'm moving TechHub back to Canada.

[libramoon@mastodon.social]

@Raccoon @gwm @ducksauz @WAHa_06x36 @johnstonphilip @benroyce @Mourioche

“Extreme Danger”: Harris Earns a Stunning Endorsement Over Trump

Kamala Harris has earned an eleventh-hour show of support from Palestinian, Arab, and Muslim community leaders.

Yahoo News (www.yahoo.com)

[bot23@mastodon.social]

@Raccoon @gwm @ducksauz @WAHa_06x36 @johnstonphilip @benroyce @Mourioche Sure Trump said to end it quickly because of the optics and Republicans have floated using nukes. I’m sure the Trump/Stein voters will have the greatest humanitarian outcome unraveling decades of the US supporting Israel. What could possibly go wrong?

[jerry@hear-me.social]

@Gargron
I already voted for Harris/Walz

[fiberologist@veganism.social]

@gwm @benroyce @WAHa_06x36 @baconandcoconut

"Duverger presents the example of an election in which 100,000 moderate voters and 80,000 radical voters are to vote for candidates for a single seat or office. If two moderate parties ran candidates and one radical candidate ran (and every voter voted), the radical candidate would tend to win unless one of the moderate candidates gathered fewer than 20,000 votes."

The US didn't get a 2nd round of orange cheato 2020 because people got their shit together and did not repeat the mistake of voting 3rd party in 2016 (in which 3rd parties trippled and quadrupled in comparison to previous elections).

2016 had a turnout of 6% voting 3rd party, whereas 2020 had 2% voting 3rd party.

https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2021/06/30/behind-bidens-2020-victory/

[queenvalhalla@mastodon.world]

@benroyce @GregArcus @gooba42 @whknott @NZedAUS @gwm @WAHa_06x36 @baconandcoconut

Greg abuses people with PTSD

Remove your shitpost, Greg

[spieldings@mastodon.social]

@Gargron fashists? The left you mean?

[firebreathingduck@social.vivaldi.net]

@fiberologist @gwm @benroyce @WAHa_06x36 @baconandcoconut

Before I continue, I voted for Hillary Clinton in 2016, Biden in 2020, and Harris by mail this year. I haven't been ignorant enough to vote Republican since the 1990s, and I'll never make that mistake again.

The centrist rage against third parties is unfair. Our enemies are the people supporting Trump, not the people voting third party. "You're either with us, or you're against us!" is exactly the kind of false dichotomy fascists use.

If Harris loses, it will be because the Biden Administration would literally - literally - rather support the Palestinian genocide than improve their odds of beating Trump. (And before anyone else says "Trump would make the genocide worse!" - "The other guy would commit genocide too!" is not a valid argument.)

[benroyce@mastodon.social]

@firebreathingduck @fiberologist @gwm @WAHa_06x36 @baconandcoconut

"centrist rage against third parties is unfair"

i stopped reading here

the usa is a fptp voting system

a 3rd party vote can only strip votes from another party -> the party you dislike most wins

viable 3rd parties require ranked choice voting

support that

"americans" who say they vote 3rd party are either morons hurting their own cause, or geopolitical troll farm trying to swing the election

welcome to reality

learn it

[greenfire@mstdn.social]

@benroyce @firebreathingduck @fiberologist @gwm @WAHa_06x36 @baconandcoconut
Here's a decent video discussing Jill Stein's investment in the fossil fuel industry despite asserting that she cares about global warming.

It also highlights how she is the reason that we even had to have a first Trump administration too.

#JillStein #VatnikSoup
https://youtu.be/H0GFCPsXusI?si=iqguBlJ4n6EGAsDi

[barney@mas.to]

@GreenFire

This is amazing. #JillStein is just a flat-out Russian agent, isn't she? Where did she even get the $8.5 Million that she has invested in the fossil fuel, defense, banking, and tobacco industries? Has she ever had a job?

She hires Republican consulting firms... She's represented by Trump's lawyers... She targets only Dem voters, only in swing states... How the hell did we make it this easy for Putin??

#USPol

@benroyce @firebreathingduck @fiberologist @gwm @WAHa_06x36