Jamelle Bouie thinks that, when it comes to the abortion issue, "Donald Trump is stuck."
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Jamelle Bouie thinks that, when it comes to the abortion issue, "Donald Trump is stuck."
And he has no idea how to get unstuck, because he has created the situation in which he's now stuck and which Kamala Harris is exploiting to show voters who he is and what he represents.
"Trump represents the movement to outlaw abortion, restrict contraception and severely limit the scope of reproductive health care."
#Trump #Republicans #abortion #ReproductiveRights #women
/1https://www.nytimes.com/2024/09/06/opinion/trump-dobbs-abortion.html
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William Lindsey :toad:replied to William Lindsey :toad: last edited by
This is who Trump is, what he's bragged about, that he leads a movement to outlaw abortion, restrict contraception, and limit reproductive healthcare.
But these are wildly unpopular positions, as he knows. He has to dance with those who brung him — the evangelical and Catholic right — but dancing with those folks and to their tune is politically toxic. And he knows this and can't figure out how to do his usual transactional thing
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William Lindsey :toad:replied to William Lindsey :toad: last edited by
"Trump and Vance have been trying to run away from the most extreme positions of their base, but the dilemma they find themselves in is a problem of Trump’s own making. Thanks to him, the anti-abortion crowd is the dog that caught the car, and now they want more."
~ Todd Beeton
#Trump #Republicans #abortion #ReproductiveRights #women
/3https://thinkbigpicture.substack.com/p/harris-trump-reproductive-freedom-bus
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William Lindsey :toad:replied to William Lindsey :toad: last edited by
"As [Dan] Pfieffer notes, with Kamala Harris at the top of the ticket, abortion has risen in saliency as a top issue on the minds of voters."
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Theodore Painsworthreplied to William Lindsey :toad: last edited by
One of these days Donald is going to go off hard on Christians at large on a hot mic and I'm gonna eat so much popcorn over it.
I can't imagine a group he hates more than Evangelical Christians, to be entirely honest. Yes, he's a racist and a misogynist and worse but those groups never actually did anything to hurt him.
Evangelicals are hurting him. He is both beholden to them, their money and political power, and he absolutely doesn't believe anything they do. He must feel like he has been forced to carry water for them and now it's their policies he championed that have sapped the last of his political momentum. I am entirely confident he personally blames them for 2020 and he's going to personally blame them for 2024.
God damn but Trump must fucking hate them bad.
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wb x64replied to William Lindsey :toad: last edited by
@wdlindsy I often think about how sometimes the best thing you can let your opponent do is get the thing they want / succeed in their short-term goals. Especially when the battle is so psychological, what will they have left? The reality of the thing itself isn't so great.
What really sucks is the millions suffering as a result while we gin up our ranks to make things better, though.
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William Lindsey :toad:replied to William Lindsey :toad: last edited by
As Megan Messerly and Adam Wren report, Trump's white evangelical base are holding his feet to the fire on abortion:
“It’s disastrous that he’s attempted to run against his own track record. There is a real danger to the Trump campaign that pro-life voters just don’t turn out for him with the intensity that he needs.”
This is from super-right Southern Baptist leader Albert Mohler.
#Trump #Republicans #abortion #ReproductiveRights #women #evangelicals
/5https://www.politico.com/news/2024/09/05/white-evangelicals-trump-abortion-00177595
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William Lindsey :toad:replied to William Lindsey :toad: last edited by
But as Georgia Republican strategist Stephen Lawson says,
“Evangelical voters here and probably across the Sun Belt and the country are looking at some of these positions and statements that Donald Trump is making with a raised eyebrow. But at the end of the day, I just think those folks are probably going to come home for him.”
He doesn't add, but perhaps should, that they'd vote for the devil himself, promised power.
#Trump #Republicans #abortion #ReproductiveRights #women #evangelicals
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John Maxwellreplied to William Lindsey :toad: last edited by
@wdlindsy - The decision that the GOP made under Reagan to court the Evangelicals is finally hitting its end game.
- Most Americans disagree with the fundies about this; it's not a winning political position. Sticking with it is not an option.
- The GQP can't win without the fundies' votes, so abandoning them is not an option.(1/2)
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Prior to tfg, the GQP leaders were smart enough to understand this, and limit their support for repealing Roe v. Wade to talk.
He was dumb enough to give the Christian Taliban what they wanted, and now they're going to set their next price.
And that's only going to make the GQP's problem worse.
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rk: not a typewriterreplied to William Lindsey :toad: last edited by
The majority of Republican voters regularly say that the personal morals of the candidate should be important when deciding who to vote for…when it’s a Democrat. They say the exact opposite when it’s a Republican. This is demonstrated in numerous polls and surveys.
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MylesRydenreplied to William Lindsey :toad: last edited by
It seems to me that the real reason #TFG is stuck is that he personally doesn't give a hoot about this (or most issues). He only pretends to be anti reproductive freedom because he assumes that is what the GOP base wants.
So, he gets trapped when his personal feelings ("I don't care about this") compounds with it being a losing political issue more globally.
Because he is cosplaying at being a politician he tries some mealy mouthed approach that he thinks will please everyone, which naturally pleases no one.
Good to see him getting this one all wrong, actually.
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James Fields :verified:replied to William Lindsey :toad: last edited by
@wdlindsy As an evangelical, or perhaps more accurately and exvangelical, I'll say they already have voted for a devil. The things evangelicals say they believe they put aside when it comes to the one issue they've decided is worth getting political over.
It's wrong.
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JamesKreplied to William Lindsey :toad: last edited by
@wdlindsy Your final sentence sums it up very well.
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Rebecca Cotton-Weinholdreplied to William Lindsey :toad: last edited by
@wdlindsy The mindboggling rethorical acrobatics these people go through... posing "[...] voting for (a) president [...] who stood strongly for [...] liberty" and "Kamala Harris who is a dangerous liberal" as an opposing, binary choice.
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William Lindsey :toad:replied to Rebecca Cotton-Weinhold last edited by
@rlcw You're absolutely right.
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William Lindsey :toad:replied to JamesK last edited by
@JamesK Thank you.
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William Lindsey :toad:replied to James Fields :verified: last edited by
@jfslicer I agree, and I suspect my own experiences are similar to yours. I was raised Southern Baptist, with an uncle who was academic v-p at a Southern Baptist college, and who, with his wife who taught in the same college, raised two sons who became SBC ministers. It's a world I know all too well, and how evangelicals are now behaving doesn't surprise me, since I've seen them behaving this way a long time.
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William Lindsey :toad:replied to MylesRyden last edited by
@MylesRyden I agree — very good analysis.
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William Lindsey :toad:replied to rk: not a typewriter last edited by
@rk Exactly. Polls show them reversing — in toto — their insistence that morality and character count when Clinton was president, after Trump came on the scene.