Jamelle Bouie thinks that, when it comes to the abortion issue, "Donald Trump is stuck."
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rk: not a typewriterreplied to William Lindsey :toad: last edited by
The majority of Republican voters regularly say that the personal morals of the candidate should be important when deciding who to vote for…when it’s a Democrat. They say the exact opposite when it’s a Republican. This is demonstrated in numerous polls and surveys.
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MylesRydenreplied to William Lindsey :toad: last edited by
It seems to me that the real reason #TFG is stuck is that he personally doesn't give a hoot about this (or most issues). He only pretends to be anti reproductive freedom because he assumes that is what the GOP base wants.
So, he gets trapped when his personal feelings ("I don't care about this") compounds with it being a losing political issue more globally.
Because he is cosplaying at being a politician he tries some mealy mouthed approach that he thinks will please everyone, which naturally pleases no one.
Good to see him getting this one all wrong, actually.
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James Fields :verified:replied to William Lindsey :toad: last edited by
@wdlindsy As an evangelical, or perhaps more accurately and exvangelical, I'll say they already have voted for a devil. The things evangelicals say they believe they put aside when it comes to the one issue they've decided is worth getting political over.
It's wrong.
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JamesKreplied to William Lindsey :toad: last edited by
@wdlindsy Your final sentence sums it up very well.
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Rebecca Cotton-Weinholdreplied to William Lindsey :toad: last edited by
@wdlindsy The mindboggling rethorical acrobatics these people go through... posing "[...] voting for (a) president [...] who stood strongly for [...] liberty" and "Kamala Harris who is a dangerous liberal" as an opposing, binary choice.
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William Lindsey :toad:replied to Rebecca Cotton-Weinhold last edited by
@rlcw You're absolutely right.
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William Lindsey :toad:replied to JamesK last edited by
@JamesK Thank you.
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William Lindsey :toad:replied to James Fields :verified: last edited by
@jfslicer I agree, and I suspect my own experiences are similar to yours. I was raised Southern Baptist, with an uncle who was academic v-p at a Southern Baptist college, and who, with his wife who taught in the same college, raised two sons who became SBC ministers. It's a world I know all too well, and how evangelicals are now behaving doesn't surprise me, since I've seen them behaving this way a long time.
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William Lindsey :toad:replied to MylesRyden last edited by
@MylesRyden I agree — very good analysis.
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William Lindsey :toad:replied to rk: not a typewriter last edited by
@rk Exactly. Polls show them reversing — in toto — their insistence that morality and character count when Clinton was president, after Trump came on the scene.
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William Lindsey :toad:replied to John Maxwell last edited by
@jmax Yes, that's right. The dog has now caught the car, and they have no clue what to do.
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William Lindsey :toad:replied to John Maxwell last edited by
@jmax I agree. We're seeing the bitter fruit of the Southern strategy.
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William Lindsey :toad:replied to wb x64 last edited by
@wilbr Yes, isn't that an interesting phenomenon, let folks get what they have craved and then let them deal with the consequences? My parents actually sometimes did that with us children, letting us have what we begged for, while they knew it would not do us good — so that we'd learn from the consequences.
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William Lindsey :toad:replied to Theodore Painsworth last edited by
@itty53 Yes, it's clear to me that Trump has nothing but contempt for the evangelical Christians he plays like a fiddle.
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wb x64replied to William Lindsey :toad: last edited by
@wdlindsy we've seen sort of an implosion of politics over both abortion and Israel: the GOP finally stacked the court and overturned Roe, and now what do their single-issue conservative moms have left? Trans people? Taxes? The GOP is campaigning on "mass deportation," is that really a mainstream top issue?
Israel finally got a self-proclaimed Zionist president who let them go gloves-off unlimited bombing and their state (and ours) may not survive the naked genocidal mania.
Smells like decay.
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@wdlindsy the suffering is immeasurable of course, I don't think this is a good strategy because it basically means giving up and letting evil people do what they want, but it is strategically interesting how these evil entities are on the verge of collapse at the same moment that they achieve the goals they've held for half a century. It would sure be nice if the masses would rally and see the evil and stop it before it killed millions instead of after.
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William Lindsey :toad:replied to wb x64 last edited by
@wilbr Very good reflection — insightful and morally astute. Thank you. I agree with you.