Pledge of Allegiance

[nickhammes@lemmy.world]

Even being born into it, it feels weird. I'll stand politely when the national anthem is played at a sporting event, because that feels only slightly odd. But the pledge of allegiance always gave me straight cult vibes, no thanks.

I've seen multiple groups of Australians treat their national anthem with mild irreverence, which feels so much healthier.

[limer@lemmy.dbzer0.com]

Too much patriotism is because too little of everything else

[slickgoat@lemmy.world]

As an Australian I can confirm this. Anybody silly enough to act patriotic in any group will be sledged mercilessly.

[roguetrick@lemmy.world]

Well stop thinking about it.

[mitm0@lemmy.world]

Ohhhhh nooooo it's always the "everything bad in America is because of communism" gag

[mitm0@lemmy.world]

Try Nationalism/Jingoism; Patriots actually stand up to their own country's BS

[thebat@lemmy.world]

ahh

Shut the fuck up

[captainlezbian@lemmy.world]

What no this is more of a "American communism is a longstanding tradition and it's foolishness to brush us off as purely a capitalistic nation."

[dragontypewyvern@midwest.social]

Rude, but sometimes harsh discipline is necessary

[mitm0@lemmy.world]

Ok now I get it, apologies

[jmcs@discuss.tchncs.de]

So the US has a slightly lighter propaganda ritual than an actual nationalistic dictatorship. Their religious nutjobs are also slightly less evil than the Taliban. What a country! /s

[adrianthefrog@lemmy.world]

I would say that patriotism in small amounts can be beneficial as it can drive you to improve your country, but patriotism in too large of amounts would drive you to ignore its flaws

[naiboftabr@infosec.pub]

This is a great line, very succinct.

[leftzero@lemmynsfw.com]

But according to some Europeans on the internet, its apparantly just... not a thing in their country?

It used to be a thing in my country... back when it was under a fascist dictatorship.

[thefogan@programming.dev]

There's a lot that I would say that are just crazy to me when they become inherent by definition indoctrination.

Circumcision and childhood baptism also fall into those categories for me. Want to devote yourself to a religion have at it. but how the hell is it not a huge ass red flag to encourage the major changes and opinions at an age that clearly decisions can't be made.

Baptism at least can be ignored... it's a bath at worse, a sprinkle at best. But it's still a facepalmingly stupid concept at best when the child clearly isn't the one making the decision (obviously excluding when adults decide to be baptised, I have no objections there).

Same for teaching kids to pledge allegiance to a piece of cloth. Same for "teach them to love their country etc...".

No you know what, teach them accurate history of their country, and of other countries. When they have understanding of it, let them compare, see what our country does good, did bad, with context of what other countries did that was good, and bad.