Pledge of Allegiance

[petteriskaffari@lemmy.world]

Patriotism is borderline discrimination.

[bongles@lemm.ee]

That's part of the problem of states handling everything so differently. In New York, I had the pledge every morning, that's pretty much national, but nothing else almost ever outside of sports (national anthem). Not only did they know you didn't have to stand, they taught us that in history class.

How can you come together "as a nation" when your education from state to state can be completely different.

[aeonfelis@lemmy.world]

Even if they knew - the hurdle is too high for a kid to go through. And even if they did - they'll probably face retribution from the school for dragging them to court.

[majorhavoc@programming.dev]

You guys are the gold ribbon looniest.

Aw, shucks. Thanks!

I realize it's not a compliment, but we need a win, right now, so we will take it.

[towerful@programming.dev]

I was 8 when I moved to the US. It was bizarre. Obviously, as an outsider, I felt I had to fit in. I never questioned it. I didn't understand it. I just said the words.
I guess at some point you understand the words (I left the US before then), but by that point it's probably become a habit. It's still the thing that everyone else in the class does. And you still want to fit in.
Never mind understanding the politics of the US that you have the right to not do something that is habitual and seems completely normal.

[lime@feddit.nu]

you are allowed to say ass

[nickhammes@lemmy.world]

Even being born into it, it feels weird. I'll stand politely when the national anthem is played at a sporting event, because that feels only slightly odd. But the pledge of allegiance always gave me straight cult vibes, no thanks.

I've seen multiple groups of Australians treat their national anthem with mild irreverence, which feels so much healthier.

[limer@lemmy.dbzer0.com]

Too much patriotism is because too little of everything else

[slickgoat@lemmy.world]

As an Australian I can confirm this. Anybody silly enough to act patriotic in any group will be sledged mercilessly.

[roguetrick@lemmy.world]

Well stop thinking about it.

[mitm0@lemmy.world]

Ohhhhh nooooo it's always the "everything bad in America is because of communism" gag

[mitm0@lemmy.world]

Try Nationalism/Jingoism; Patriots actually stand up to their own country's BS

[thebat@lemmy.world]

ahh

Shut the fuck up

[captainlezbian@lemmy.world]

What no this is more of a "American communism is a longstanding tradition and it's foolishness to brush us off as purely a capitalistic nation."

[dragontypewyvern@midwest.social]

Rude, but sometimes harsh discipline is necessary

[mitm0@lemmy.world]

Ok now I get it, apologies

[jmcs@discuss.tchncs.de]

So the US has a slightly lighter propaganda ritual than an actual nationalistic dictatorship. Their religious nutjobs are also slightly less evil than the Taliban. What a country! /s

[adrianthefrog@lemmy.world]

I would say that patriotism in small amounts can be beneficial as it can drive you to improve your country, but patriotism in too large of amounts would drive you to ignore its flaws

[naiboftabr@infosec.pub]

This is a great line, very succinct.

[leftzero@lemmynsfw.com]

But according to some Europeans on the internet, its apparantly just... not a thing in their country?

It used to be a thing in my country... back when it was under a fascist dictatorship.