Nazis

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What about people calling anyone who disagrees with them or any mod that bans them nazis?

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Moving towards nazisn?

Someone who got dangerously close to winning an election claimed the founder of a fascist party and a fascist dictator (both helped cause the Holocaust in Romania ) were national heroes

A nazi salute would be a step backwards. We are already there

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You can consider the nazi point of view (do you really need to though?) without defending nazis' right to spew their bullshit.

And let's face it, even if lemmy was 100% leftists, the rest of the world is fascist as fuck so it'll never be an echo chamber.

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The only speech I don't defend is hate speech. Everything else must be fair game, not matter how much I personally don't like it or how much I disagree.

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Fascism implies hate speech, and that's what the "right" is all about in most countries right now.

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I think that's a broad brush to paint with and that the majority of people identifying with right wing politics are in reality rather moderate.

You could argue that the moderate right enable the extreme right but that's a different debate.

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That is good, but what value do they bring?

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The nazi's what?

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that's what

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No no no you don't understand. It's the cult of people who call anybody who does a weird salute or mildly dislikes Jewish people or brown people and wants to declassify women as people with rights as a Nazi. Don't you see it's both sides that are extremist. You're just giving in to left wing propaganda...

~the centrist point of view

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Who amongst us hasn't mistakenly made what looks like a Nazi salute, twice, in front of a crowd whilst doing a speech, been wrongfully interpreted as an AfD supporter after having said "I support the AfD" or made posts claiming that Jews do bad things which were unfairly seen as antisemitic?

It could happen to anybody!

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Isnt that sam smith's song? Dancing with a nazi

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Ok, here

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Right? The guy's nose disappears, it's gotta be intentional

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The joke is exactly that the "argument" you're using has been abused to such a point by American "centrists" and the even more far right types that per their definition the only possible way to be a Nazi is to have been a member of the National Socialist Party Of The German Worker during the period when it was committing the Holocaust.

You saw a lot of this shit from, for example, supporters of Zionism, and now you're seeing an even more ridiculous version of it from far-right muppets trying to excuse Elon's looks-like-Hitler's repeated salute as not Nazi.

Normal people who are not arguing in bad faith will have a definition for the threshold of when a person, party or nation's actions might be considered as Nazism which is far less restricted than "only those who were the murderers in the Holocaust qualify".

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If nothing else, it's practice for the next time you hear it, you can workout your arguments against it.

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I mean really they are all fascists so really it would be some kind of anti-fascist movement.

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Enjoy your echo chamber, must be nice when there’s no-one that has a different opinion or disagrees with you.

So how I feel about this depends somewhat on which platform I'm on, but why do some try to paint it as a virtue to allow ourselves to be surrounded by toxicity?

I can be aware of what is happening in the world and engaged with people who have different opinions than I have without having to let them pollute the places where I just want to be able to exist without harassment and assholery. I can also make different decisions about how insular I want to be on one platform vs another. I don't have to let those people into my life, and I frankly find it kind of offensive when folks suggest that I or others are somehow missing out by not letting them in.

No one should feel obligated to let themselves be the target of hateful rhetoric or comments that hurt them or bring negativity into their lives. Choosing to allow that is a valid choice, but it's not necessarily a healthy one, and choosing not to allow it is a reasonable choice for people to make for themselves for the sake of their own health or happiness.

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"You just don't like people with different opinions about what types of humans should be eradicated. Not me, willing to have all sorts of conversations about ranking people in terms of who is subhuman."

XIIIesq

I think there's a difference between blocking people that use hate speech and blocking those who you simply disagree with but I don't know why I keep bothering to try explaining myself.