Nazis

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The nazi's what?

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that's what

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No no no you don't understand. It's the cult of people who call anybody who does a weird salute or mildly dislikes Jewish people or brown people and wants to declassify women as people with rights as a Nazi. Don't you see it's both sides that are extremist. You're just giving in to left wing propaganda...

~the centrist point of view

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Who amongst us hasn't mistakenly made what looks like a Nazi salute, twice, in front of a crowd whilst doing a speech, been wrongfully interpreted as an AfD supporter after having said "I support the AfD" or made posts claiming that Jews do bad things which were unfairly seen as antisemitic?

It could happen to anybody!

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Isnt that sam smith's song? Dancing with a nazi

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Ok, here

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Right? The guy's nose disappears, it's gotta be intentional

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The joke is exactly that the "argument" you're using has been abused to such a point by American "centrists" and the even more far right types that per their definition the only possible way to be a Nazi is to have been a member of the National Socialist Party Of The German Worker during the period when it was committing the Holocaust.

You saw a lot of this shit from, for example, supporters of Zionism, and now you're seeing an even more ridiculous version of it from far-right muppets trying to excuse Elon's looks-like-Hitler's repeated salute as not Nazi.

Normal people who are not arguing in bad faith will have a definition for the threshold of when a person, party or nation's actions might be considered as Nazism which is far less restricted than "only those who were the murderers in the Holocaust qualify".

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If nothing else, it's practice for the next time you hear it, you can workout your arguments against it.

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I mean really they are all fascists so really it would be some kind of anti-fascist movement.

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Enjoy your echo chamber, must be nice when there’s no-one that has a different opinion or disagrees with you.

So how I feel about this depends somewhat on which platform I'm on, but why do some try to paint it as a virtue to allow ourselves to be surrounded by toxicity?

I can be aware of what is happening in the world and engaged with people who have different opinions than I have without having to let them pollute the places where I just want to be able to exist without harassment and assholery. I can also make different decisions about how insular I want to be on one platform vs another. I don't have to let those people into my life, and I frankly find it kind of offensive when folks suggest that I or others are somehow missing out by not letting them in.

No one should feel obligated to let themselves be the target of hateful rhetoric or comments that hurt them or bring negativity into their lives. Choosing to allow that is a valid choice, but it's not necessarily a healthy one, and choosing not to allow it is a reasonable choice for people to make for themselves for the sake of their own health or happiness.

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"You just don't like people with different opinions about what types of humans should be eradicated. Not me, willing to have all sorts of conversations about ranking people in terms of who is subhuman."

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I think there's a difference between blocking people that use hate speech and blocking those who you simply disagree with but I don't know why I keep bothering to try explaining myself.

XIIIesq

I agree that there is a huge difference between blocking hate (who the site should be blocking anyway due to breaching the community guidelines) and blocking someone you simply disagree with or are offended by.

When it comes to being offended it's different, we can all agree that hate shouldn't be tolerated, but offence is in the eye of the beholder.

I could block any users that I find to be offensive and live in a lovely online community where everyone agrees with me but I personally don't want a community that doesn't reflect the real world and I find it mentally unhealthy to pretend that offensive people with different points of view don't exist.

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Why? Why is it a virtue of some kind if when I go online I allow the same people to continually make that experience worse for me?

Choosing to allow that is a valid choice, but it’s not necessarily a healthy one, and choosing not to allow it is a reasonable choice for people to make for themselves for the sake of their own health or happiness.

Social media isn't the entire world. Personally blocking the people I don't want to interact with on specific platforms (or even all platforms) doesn't remove my ability to interact with the world and the events going on within it, nor does it remove my ability to hear other opinions.

XIIIesq

You do you, I'm not here to tell anyone what their Lemmy experience should be, I'm just saying I personally believe that it's unhealthy to surround yourself only with people that agree with you, we all have to go back to the real world at some point.

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Are we all still referring to the comic strip about Nazis?

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I feel like this is exactly the sort of thing that makes the guy on the right in the comic feel the way he does. Call enough random people Nazis as hyperbole and you can boy-who-cried-wolf your way into being ignored when they're genuinely at it in full view (aka Musk the other day).