Scifi was created by neurodivergents and co-opted by normies.
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What are you trying to prove?
What I just quoted and you just agreed with...
If we count Frankenstein as scifi…
Then stuff centuries earlier also count as scifi, and she’s out of the discussion again.
I'm not sure why you're upset with me, now that we're on the same page...
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Oh zing!
See, it's always about value with you people.
So it's always about who gets the credit. Who gets valued and who doesn't. Who wins and who loses. That eternal muck of monkey dominance battles that we call politics.
This bs dominates the common mind utterly. There's no room for art there. It's invisible.
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What are you trying to prove?
What I just quoted and you just agreed with...
If we count Frankenstein as scifi…
Then stuff centuries earlier also count as scifi, and she’s out of the discussion again.
I'm not sure why you're upset with me, now that we're on the same page...
We're not. And my point has always been your initial comment in this thread is false at best.
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Oh zing!
See, it's always about value with you people.
So it's always about who gets the credit. Who gets valued and who doesn't. Who wins and who loses. That eternal muck of monkey dominance battles that we call politics.
This bs dominates the common mind utterly. There's no room for art there. It's invisible.
and yet, you felt it was needed to point out the credit/value between neurodivergents and "normies" lol
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It is funny. There are so many things in modern day that would be a dream come true to young me but it all goes dystopia and all the fantasy and scifi is one of those things. I thought I would love so much but so much is not done well. I sorta feel for gay people because being into scifi was a subculture but it going mainstream has greatly diminished the subculture as it sorta becomes unnecessary but I miss that small group feeling.
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since our modern understanding of the scientific method didn’t really exist back then,
Didn't exist when Mary Shelly did either...
That's my point, by it's very nature "the first scifi" isn't a fixed date due to scientific advancement.
Agriculture is a science, and it was a bigger deal than electricity when it was new, but we don't say every story with a plow is scifi anymore.
Hell, look at Jason and the Argonauts using bleeding edge navigation skills to travel to far off lands we couldn't imagine. The only difference is water instead of space.
This isn't a new process, we're talking about where modern humans draw a line that's been redrawn since the dawn of humanity.
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and yet, you felt it was needed to point out the credit/value between neurodivergents and "normies" lol
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It is funny. There are so many things in modern day that would be a dream come true to young me but it all goes dystopia and all the fantasy and scifi is one of those things. I thought I would love so much but so much is not done well. I sorta feel for gay people because being into scifi was a subculture but it going mainstream has greatly diminished the subculture as it sorta becomes unnecessary but I miss that small group feeling.
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does quality and appreciation hold no value?
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I don't understand. Which authors are you referring to that created the genre and are neurodivergant?
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I don't understand. Which authors are you referring to that created the genre and are neurodivergant?
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That's not entirely true. There's still good sci-fi being made. Look at the expanse, dark, altered carbon.
I dont know much about newer books, but I m sure there's good scifi writers out there still. What comes to mind is ready player one, red rising, pines, although these are all 10 years old by now. It illustrates that it's not just the era of Heinlein and Asimov that counts.
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I'm not sure I'd count Frankenstein, tbh. I think it's more horror than sci-fi.
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I'm not sure I'd count Frankenstein, tbh. I think it's more horror than sci-fi.
The addition of electricity is the only reason anyone calls it scifi
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The addition of electricity is the only reason anyone calls it scifi
I doubt it, but ok
