Scifi was created by neurodivergents and co-opted by normies.
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and yet, you felt it was needed to point out the credit/value between neurodivergents and "normies" lol
No, that's just your damn limited, dominance games obsessed perspective talking.
My point is actually the quality and appreciation of modern science fiction.
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It is funny. There are so many things in modern day that would be a dream come true to young me but it all goes dystopia and all the fantasy and scifi is one of those things. I thought I would love so much but so much is not done well. I sorta feel for gay people because being into scifi was a subculture but it going mainstream has greatly diminished the subculture as it sorta becomes unnecessary but I miss that small group feeling.
Greg Egan, Iain Banks and Sam Hughes are good stuff, if you haven't.
Also, there's this amazing new genre, "LitRpg". Basically fantasy where an rpg type videogame became real.
Most of it is the usual dreck but some of it goes hard sf, delving into the existential stuff.
A couple of the rationalists have even taken a swing.
Try
Mother of Learning
Death after death
Friendship is optimal
So ya, real development is still alive.
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Sometimes an asshole is just an asshole.
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No, that's just your damn limited, dominance games obsessed perspective talking.
My point is actually the quality and appreciation of modern science fiction.
does quality and appreciation hold no value?
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I don't understand. Which authors are you referring to that created the genre and are neurodivergant?
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I don't understand. Which authors are you referring to that created the genre and are neurodivergant?
Great question. Even in recent classic eras of science fiction, it wouldn't have been safe for authors (who need publisher trust to buy food) to get diagnosed as neurodivergent, so I feel like we're left with wether neurodivergent individuals embrace their work.
Disclaimer: I'm not neurodivergent. I don't feel safe seeking a diagnosis. And things aren't binary, so what the hell. I do acknowledge it's interesting that I relate strongly with a bunch of these characters, and can bring them to memory quickly as some of my favorites...
With that disclaimed:
- "The November People" by Ray Bradbury comes to mind. It explores how classic Hollywood monsters would handle themselves as roommates, mostly through exploring their mental diversity rooted in their physical/cultural differences.
- Asimov's robot detective stories (start with The Caves of Steel) have protagonists whose planets effectively make them neordivergent anytime they visit another planet than their birth world.
- "Stranger in a Strange Land", by Heinlein, is about a neurodivergent (for Earth) young man who grew up as the sole citizen of Mars.
- Philip K Dick's detective protagonist from "Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep" (aka Blade Runner) is clearly neurodivergent, as is his wife.
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Modern sci-fi was created by an extremely depressed widow that only thought about the social and scientific repercussions of bringing her husband back from the dead and put it in the form of literature. And appreciation for Sci Fi has been around for a very long time. Nosferatur, The Haunting, House on Haunted Hill, The Blob, The Day The Earth Stood Still, War Of The World's, etc...
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Greg Egan, Iain Banks and Sam Hughes are good stuff, if you haven't.
Also, there's this amazing new genre, "LitRpg". Basically fantasy where an rpg type videogame became real.
Most of it is the usual dreck but some of it goes hard sf, delving into the existential stuff.
A couple of the rationalists have even taken a swing.
Try
Mother of Learning
Death after death
Friendship is optimal
So ya, real development is still alive.
LitRpg
I don't think this is new; The Sleeping Dragon by Joel Rosenberg was published in 1983 where players in a tabletop RPG get whooshed into the game world at the beginning of the book. Fun series.
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That's not entirely true. There's still good sci-fi being made. Look at the expanse, dark, altered carbon.
I dont know much about newer books, but I m sure there's good scifi writers out there still. What comes to mind is ready player one, red rising, pines, although these are all 10 years old by now. It illustrates that it's not just the era of Heinlein and Asimov that counts.
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Modern sci-fi was created by an extremely depressed widow that only thought about the social and scientific repercussions of bringing her husband back from the dead and put it in the form of literature. And appreciation for Sci Fi has been around for a very long time. Nosferatur, The Haunting, House on Haunted Hill, The Blob, The Day The Earth Stood Still, War Of The World's, etc...
No, modern sci-fi evolved over time like all the other complex stuff tends to.
Modern sci-fi is created by every fellow with strange idea. Who thinks maybe I could get my idea across better if I framed it as a narrative and put it in scientific terms. because science is such a lovely language for talking about strange ideas.
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No, modern sci-fi evolved over time like all the other complex stuff tends to.
Modern sci-fi is created by every fellow with strange idea. Who thinks maybe I could get my idea across better if I framed it as a narrative and put it in scientific terms. because science is such a lovely language for talking about strange ideas.
Mary Shelley's Frankentstein is noted to be the future sci-fi story. Mary at the time was dealing with grief of the death of her husband. That's all I'm saying
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If we count Frankenstein as scifi...
Then stuff centuries earlier also count as scifi, and she's out of the discussion again.
I'm not sure I'd count Frankenstein, tbh. I think it's more horror than sci-fi.
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I'm not sure I'd count Frankenstein, tbh. I think it's more horror than sci-fi.
The addition of electricity is the only reason anyone calls it scifi
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The addition of electricity is the only reason anyone calls it scifi
I doubt it, but ok
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I don't refer to mary shelly. I do not distinguish her as the "inventor" of science fiction either. Rendering strange ideas in terms of esoteric disciplines to leverage the metaphorical augmentation or whatever is as old as humanity.
Okay. So what's the first work of science fiction to you?
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Ah, you've read Heinlein and Lovecraft.
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Okay. So what's the first work of science fiction to you?
It's something I haven't delved into enough to arrive at a definitive conclusion, actually. The subject delivers little thrill for me.
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Much like all other creative endeavors
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But she was reasonably well-adjusted
Bruh...
She kept her dead husbands heart and would carry it around with her
Reasonable
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It's something I haven't delved into enough to arrive at a definitive conclusion, actually. The subject delivers little thrill for me.
Then I suggest you accept the common interpretation that "Frankenstein, or The Modern Prometheus", is at least the first modern work of sci-fi.
