Moderators banning/censoring people arent oppressors violating your rights; they are customer service representatives curating the space for their intended costomers. All this to say, I see Karen.

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Actually it ain't. Good, catch

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Well there is no clean connection between the rule and reality (short of forbidden word lists anyway). It's always a matter of somebody's interpretation.

Some communities have rules like "don't be a dick", which seems implied.

Maybe rules are inappropriate here. At best a justification.

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Most? Well not my conversations.

Maybe it's a smalltalk vs "largetalk" thing. Maybe most conversations are smalltalk. Talk that's just friendly noise or whatever.

That is a territory with which I am pretty unfamiliar.

But ya, 2 totally different kinds of talk.

Maybe trolling constitutes a 3rd variety.

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But you uttered an opinion about moderation. So don't dodge my point.

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I mod [email protected]

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... how dare I utter an opinion

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I don't think there is much swaying of opinion in online conversations so most conversations is just bluster or time sinks. If anything of value is ever being discussed its an almost certain that astroturfers have infiltrated the conversation and diffused any real action that may have come of it.

Think of reddit. Think of the top 2-3 comments. There are a mountain of comments under those that just fade into obscurity. Their could be someone on reddit posting the "meaning of everything" on every post that hits r/all and it's been virtually censored by just the sheer amount of garbage spam that post will receive. Gaurenteed the posts with the most engagement have been artificially boosted.

I do this constantly and get challenged a lot. The people challenging my ideas and thoughts are trying to convince me of anything. They are trying to wear me down, that's the strategy. If that's what we are up against then nothing good will ever come out of these spaces.

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Same with the communities I mod. No bans at all so far. But tbf they‘re smaller. The larger communities might be different.

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A majority sure but probably not too much beyond 60%. There’s a lot of pretty evident bad behavior on the mods side

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Happy cake day!

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you trust this person to tell you... how to speak

We got a lot of content and vibe modding going on.

This is a classic suppression and steering tactic.

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Do you think it's a conscious plan to mindcontrol everybody or is it just a potato treating his mod powers like the ultimate downvote?

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Karens aren't just women.

But if you disagree, can you let me know what word we use for men? I'm happy to use that for everybody.

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Stay Gold ponyboy, stay Gold

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Not to be that guy, but exactly what kind of conversation are we supposed to have with fascists and people openly calling for an end to both your and my liberties?

Ideas are debatable, but there's no debating that we all deserve to live and to exist. But I've ever only encountered people from the right falling into that category. My own existence to them is offensive and worthy of murder. I want to have no conversation with such people, but you seem to be willing to tolerate that for the sake of "just having a conversation".

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It's not that hard if you prioritize being objective and fair. Though maybe I'm just based.

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That's by design

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You see us as customers, by your own words.

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what kind of conversation are we supposed to have with fascists and people openly calling for an end to both your and my liberties?

Depends heavily on who you're dealing with. Obviously, very hard to talk to a cop in the middle of cracking your skull open. But a lot of Americans are polarized into fascism through mass media and other forms of propaganda. You have to talk to them like you'd talk to anyone else. And you have to get them disconnected from the fascist media stream as best you can.

It's less about a specific conversation and more about building trust relative to their mass media of choice. No single thing you say is going to outweigh a daily dose of right wing agitprop. So divorcing people from that mass media has to be the first step, either by keying them in on how and why the network is uncomfortable to listen to or by engaging them with alternatives.

there’s no debating that we all deserve to live and to exist.

The fascist theory is, at it's heart, that egalitarian coexistence is impossible. You are in a tribal war of domination and you either win or you die.

The counter has to be evidence to the contrary. Introducing friends and family to people who are "the enemy" but are clearly no threat. Reminding them of who they're being asked to reject.