For the love of all that is holy, can you all please start using `` for navigation and `` for actions, not the other way around?

Veronica Olsen 🏳️‍🌈🇳🇴🌻

@mahryekuh The internet has gotten so annoying the last decade that I've stopped using most of it.

Marijke Luttekes

@veronica Can't blame you.

Marijke Luttekes

@welshtroll Haha, now I wonder how one would turn the internet around.

James Scholes

@carlton This is one of those accessibility 101 things that's been written about tens of thousands of times. As much as I enjoy Marijke's writing, the accessibility community has a problem if it needs individual developers to keep regurgitating the basics again and again. I see some discoverability parallels with the content in your latest newsletter here... @mahryekuh

Marijke Luttekes

@jscholes @carlton Yeah, hard agree, James.

I also don't have as much reach or expert knowledge as the "big names" out there, but I'll do what I can.

Not gonna lie; I don't like writing this article, though. It's not my best work and it's actual effort. But if you want to slap someone with some rules, you better have them written down somewhere. 🥲

Marijke Luttekes

@jscholes @carlton It doesn't help that the average IT article and documentation suffers from the "Curse of knowledge" and happily skips over the basics.

Curse of knowledge - Wikipedia

(en.wikipedia.org)

Marijke Luttekes

@jscholes @carlton It doesn't help that the average IT article and documentation suffers from the "Curse of knowledge" and happily skips over the foundations of web development.

Curse of knowledge - Wikipedia

(en.wikipedia.org)

Andy Berdan

@mahryekuh @welshtroll with revolution

Marijke Luttekes

@berdandy @welshtroll

James Scholes

@mahryekuh I guess I don't agree that your name absolutely must be on something just because you're the one "slapping down" some rules or suggestions. You didn't want to write it, and someone else already did. But I'm not a blogger... shrug.

Links, Buttons, Submits, and Divs, Oh Hell

Screen shot of the Zurb Foundation advice for accessible buttons, where it shows anchors and a div each with role=”button”. In short, a perfect example of everything you could do wrong. NOTE: This was version 5.5.3. Most of this is fixed in the current version as of this writing (6.1.2).…

Adrian Roselli (adrianroselli.com)

@carlton

Marijke Luttekes

@jscholes @carlton Well, my blog is also part of my marketing so it's nice to have some articles there.

I will link Adrian's article, though, since it's excellent. Thank you for the reminder!

Carlton Gibson 🇪🇺

@mahryekuh @jscholes there are many Django tutorials. Always room for one more. Likewise here I’d imagine.

Dan Fixes Coin-Ops

@mahryekuh I for one would honestly appreciate a blog post because this is the first time I've ever heard of <button>

James Scholes

@mahryekuh Also, just to be explicit:

Having worked with you, it's a joy to meet a developer with such a positive accessibility focus, who brings so much willingness to learn to the table. I don't want to discourage knowledge sharing, but people who take too much responsibility on their shoulders provide a constant story of burnout in the accessibility space. @carlton

Marijke Luttekes

@jscholes @carlton Thank you! Carlton is a fun one to tag here since he gave an excellent presentation on surviving open source for Djangonaut Space!

Don't worry about me; I've wanted to write this article for a while. It's just not my favorite one.

Thank you for the kind words.

Alkaris :verified_trans: :verified:

@mahryekuh just having `target="_blank"` in `<a>` so they open in new tabs when clicked is so much nicer.

Marijke Luttekes

@Alkaris Thank you for this segway!

Using `target="_blank"` is discouraged for accessibility reasons, as it removes a user's choice to open a page in the current or new tab.

That being said, you can probably make this behavior toggle-able with JavaScript and allow a user to set this is a setting.

Marijke Luttekes

@ifixcoinops Working on it!

James Scholes

@carlton I don't think they're directly comparable.

Django has a canonical set of official docs to refer back to, as well as the code itself. Many tutorials are written to make those things more approachable, or tie multiple strands together in ways people may not find obvious. The information quite often (though not always) does already exist elsewhere, and that state of affairs provides a nice progression story for people wanting to dive in in more detail.

In accessibility, a lot of the literature out there is reactive rather than proactive. I include WCAG in this, which many people might point to as a canonical work. But in truth, it was written as an attempt to make sense of very messy things and get them down in writing, but the scope is extremely limited (and quickly becomes outdated). And with less content overall, there are less opportunities to cross reference.

That last point might sound like I'm encouraging more writing, rather than less. But there is a huge imbalance between "basic" topics that have been written to death, and more advanced ones that have zero resources (mostly because people get paid to consult on those and don't/can't write anything down).

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