At @Vivaldi , we make browsers. Powerful browsers, with more functionality than others, but still browsers.

dummzeuch

@jon @Vivaldi I used to be a big fan of Opera, back when it had its own rendering engine and included a rather good email client. I even bought it. (Yes kids, in the olden days you paid for software with money, not your data.)
I was really disappointed when they dropped their own engine. The next thing I read about you was that you started your own browser: Vivaldi but unfortunately also based on chrome.

Shrirang Kahale

@jon @Vivaldi But unlike that other company, you just make a wrapper around chromium.
Not defending them btw, just saying.

Jon S. von Tetzchner

@albonycal @Vivaldi

So you are saying that our team of 57 just makes a wrapper? Have you tried Vivaldi at all?

Shrirang Kahale

@jon @Vivaldi I have tried it, it is certainly less complicated than maintaining a browser engine.

Jon S. von Tetzchner

@albonycal @Vivaldi

True. I have done so in the past as well. But the effort the team puts in is pretty massive.

Did you spend enough time with it to try all the features? We have a built in mail client, calendar and feed reader and we provide more flexibility and functionality than any other browser out there.

Jon S. von Tetzchner

@Refurbished @Vivaldi

Why should we "jump on the AI train"? Our users are not asking for it and we do not want to either.

Jon S. von Tetzchner

@boab @Vivaldi

Thanks. It is all described here:

What’s Vivaldi’s business model? | Vivaldi Browser

Some browsers use your data in ad networks, push promoted content or use other invasive methods to fund their development. We don’t.

Vivaldi Browser (vivaldi.com)

Jon S. von Tetzchner

@CubeThoughts @Vivaldi

You can read all about it here:

What’s Vivaldi’s business model? | Vivaldi Browser

Some browsers use your data in ad networks, push promoted content or use other invasive methods to fund their development. We don’t.

Vivaldi Browser (vivaldi.com)

Jon S. von Tetzchner

@afuerstenau @Vivaldi @PeterSommerlad

You can read all about it here:

What’s Vivaldi’s business model? | Vivaldi Browser

Some browsers use your data in ad networks, push promoted content or use other invasive methods to fund their development. We don’t.

Vivaldi Browser (vivaldi.com)

Jon S. von Tetzchner

@tux0r @Vivaldi

I guess we have not had so much requests for it. We try to make Vivaldi available everywhere we can, but for us to add a platform is a major undertaking.

Jon S. von Tetzchner

@dummzeuch @Vivaldi

If you have not tried Vivaldi fully yet, please have a look. M3 is a very good mail client, I would say. We got a feed reader and calendar as well.

Mark Reeves

@jon @Vivaldi Two things keep me from switching to Vivaldi, setting aside Chromium at its core:

1. It keeps prompting me to enable notifications every time it updates, after I've already said no. Do not want.
2. Bug VB-107923 (I have a confirmation email, but no URL to cite).

Jon S. von Tetzchner

@heymarkreeves @Vivaldi

I nudged on the 2nd bug, but the first one I have not seen. If you can provide a bug with a description, that would be great!

Die™ar_old

@jon @Vivaldi I don't know. I don't need you to do so. But that also is the case with other companies, but they do it anyway.

Fear of missing out?

Jon S. von Tetzchner

@Refurbished @Vivaldi

We have always made our own decisions as to what technology to include, typically based on user requests. Our users are not asking for AI.

Jared Zimmerman ✨

@jon don’t you have a mastodon instance? And an email client? And a feed reader? And a calendar?

Jon S. von Tetzchner

@jaredzimmerman

Vivaldi has a lot of features you do not find in any browser. You mention some of them. We do have an email client, feed reader and calendar. We also have very powerful tab handling, mouse gestures, keyboard shortcuts and quick commands. We even have web panels. So we are very feature rich. We also provide sync functionality between the different browsers, which is fully encrypted. And we are proud to be the only browser company to have our own Mastodon instance. We also provide blogs and forums as well as a way to share themes. We are very focused on bringing what our users want.

Our users are not asking us to be an OS company. They want us to support their OS.

Our users are not asking us to be a search company. There are other, good options out there.

Our users clearly do not want us to be an ad company.

And our users are clear that AI is not something they want us to integrate. If they want to use AI, they can use AI services out there. No need to integrate it.

So we focus on what people want and we are proud of it.

Jared Zimmerman ✨

@jon Being anti-AI feels like a weird blanket product "strategy" but good luck!

Jon S. von Tetzchner

@jaredzimmerman

We basically focus on what our users want. If we were public, there might be a focus on just doing what others are doing, to get funding. That is not where we are. We just focus on what people need and as you mentioned, it is a lot.

Philip Cardella

@jon @Vivaldi isn't your browser built on Chromium?