Actually, no, you know what?

yes, it's me, liza 🇵🇷 🦛 🦦

@aud it is fucked up and bullshit. i hate it. everything you wrote is absolutely right. they must not hire outside of their own cliques and this is just for show; to comply with the labor department.

Asta [AMP]

@[email protected] The fact that they later did indeed ask for my non-existent transcripts from over 20 years ago. Like. You just spent two months evaluating me. And now you need a piece of paper from 20 years ago to "seal the deal"... which oooooooops we didn't up sealing actually here's a vague "we're looking for someone with passion"?

Ben Berry

@aud ahaha, wonderful! (I retracted my application when I saw that test, and told them exactly why)

Asta [AMP]

@[email protected] GOOD FOR YOU. You saved yourself another month or two of bullshit, I guarantee that. It just gets worse from there.

Asta [AMP]

@[email protected] right? Except I have no idea how this even vaguely... I know I'm not a lawyer, but my god, how do they justify asking these questions? In what world where age discrimination is illegal can they ask for documents that specifically state your age that might well be anywhere from 1 to 70 fucking plus years old? There's no way they're relevant even a couple years out of high school. Oh, yes actually! I went to HPC high school where we packaged python software for HPC environments. Good question!

Asta [AMP]

@[email protected] motherfuckers I have passion believe me. That is something I do not lack.

Asta [AMP]

@[email protected] Just in case anyone thinks I'm not telling the truth. lmao at the use of "objective". Except I'm not laughing at all.

[email protected]

@[email protected]

Wait: they DQed you for highschool things even though you have college degrees and years of relevant experience?

Asta [AMP]

@[email protected] Ah, no, technically the reason they gave was my lack of experience in, lessee.... "... and your lack of exposure to Django, relational databases, and expertise in Python and Golang made it not a match for my teams at this time"

The "lack of expertise in Python" is especially bullshit because I passed their technical test, in Python, and said straight up I hadn't worked in Python in two years (true) and so some of the syntax was a little C-ish. My implementation was correct, but I hadn't bothered to lint it so apparently that's a "lack of exposure" (despite 10 years of doing parallel computing in Python as well as integrating CPython into other languages and exposing C style arrays as numpy arrays and writing Cython and)

Soo. And the Django thing, they were ripping it out at the time.

David Nash

@aud My high school graduation year was 1988. I have never included it on any resume/cover letter since sometime in my undergraduate college years.

I’m not sure the school *has* full transcripts of anything any more from then, and even then, precisely zero classes had any direct bearing on current state of the art CS/SWE roles. (I pretty much sleepwalked through the one CS-type class because it largely covered stuff I was doing by dinking around with computers at home. That itself was a bit of privilege for the time, but that’s a rant for another day….)

Asta [AMP]

@[email protected] ... but, yes, I suspect they either just didn't like me and/or my age and/or my gender, or they didn't like the fact that I pushed back on the high school thing, or... any of the above.

Asta [AMP]

@[email protected] exactly. What information that is relevant to any role could it possibly, possibly contain??

Captain Superfluous

@aud

See.

Theology can be practical.

Asta [AMP]

@[email protected] I also just now realize they probably think this means that yes, people did indeed choose to be poor (and indeed, might... treat people based on it this idea). Ah, what a convenient ideology.

Dunno why that hadn't occurred to me before...

David Nash

@aud

> an 18 page essay

What..??? That would have been a very long term paper in my junior/senior year undergrad history (and similar) classes. A couple weeks’ work with significant research and analysis. WTF is it doing in a job application for anything, let alone high-performance computing?

> spatial geometry and logic tests

Is playing Tetris (literally, not figuratively) with the servers in a data center actually part of the job?

Asta [AMP]

@[email protected] Actually, you know what, I'm gonna go ahead and post his rejection and my response, as well, because in hindsight it's total horseshit

In particular, this came after I objected to the transcript ranking requirement, and he rejected me based on technical grounds. I had extensive experience in Python and passed the technical test, and they were only taking Django out of the codebase so didn't need to be an expert for that.

So why, precisely, did he need my academic transcript to reject me? Why couldn't he have done that before, as he already had all the information that he used to reject me? Why did he wait until he had documents that

A. indicated I'm trans
B. indicated my age

to do that?

Asta [AMP]

@[email protected] They send you a questionnaire that asks something like twenty questions and ask for detailed answers; mine ended up being around 18 pages or so.

And... no, the job involved zero manipulations of 3D shapes done via a 2D visual plane.

Asta [AMP]

@[email protected] I checked on that posting a few months after that and it was still open, for the record.

Captain Superfluous

@aud

Fake opening?

(I've seen a lot of them myself)

Ghost jobs: What the rise in fake job listings says about the current job market

Though the labor market seems healthy, many workers still struggle to find jobs, revealing a gap between data and real-life experiences.

CNBC (www.cnbc.com)

Asta [AMP]

@[email protected] it would be weird to devote developer time on interview cycles for fake postings… I would think. But then again, maybe not. Although my god: the risk associated with doing actual interviews for a fake posting would be enormous, I think, since you’re potentially rejecting perfectly qualified and hireable candidates for bullshit reasons.

Still.