things i would like to see in mastodon that pleroma has been able to do for years:

Ariadne Conill 🐰:therian:

@ionizedgirl well, for one, it is built on an RDF data model, which is cool, but that data model is stored in PostgreSQL instead of a real graph database, so this results in a lot of "admin fun" from time to time

spaduf

@ariadne Isn't defederating a hashtag just filtering? Mastodon does have that.

Ariadne Conill 🐰:therian:

@spaduf not at server-wide level

spaduf

@ariadne or are we ta lking about features for admins.

Ariadne Conill 🐰:therian:

@spaduf this thread is an entire listing of server-wide policies that can be installed by an instance's moderation staff

Packets From The Void

@ariadne @ionizedgirl
I'll be honest seeing a bunch of nazi shit on the featured instances and a policy of "we won't ban fash" in the dev discussions put me off even thinking about the software for like four years.

(I just checked and one of the "featured instances" on pleroma.social had swastika and sonnenrad on the linked page.)

Like, I agree that the reputation has seriously slowed the propagation of better moderation tools. However I really don't think that this reputation is any surprise.

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@UntaggedTransmitter @ariadne there are forks but I don't know what the relationship between them and pleroma is

Ariadne Conill 🐰:therian:

@ionizedgirl @UntaggedTransmitter akkoma is basically a hard fork at this point and exists because of this specific problem

delta :akko_bean: :verified_gay:

@[email protected] @[email protected] i can confirm, pleroma's database design is not great, i have a 1.5 year old single user akkoma instance with a 10gb database, and have known many akkoma/pleroma admins who've had to deal with the rot as it is colloquially known

pleroma/akkoma in general, has good features and ideas but its all built on top of a foundation made of sand and spaghetti, it works most of the time but you best hope there is a god to save you if you ever have to debug or fix a technical issue in the thing

admin-FE is also just kinda terrible, it works and thats the most that can be said about it, it is a pile of barely sorted settings, excluding the ones that aren't in there

Ariadne Conill 🐰:therian:

@delta @ionizedgirl i've considered forking Pleroma before and fixing the database to use normal SQL relations to represent the data and just accepting that a universal AS2/AP server probably isn't feasible at scale

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@ariadne @UntaggedTransmitter does that mean it's missing the tools you listed

Ariadne Conill 🐰:therian:

@ionizedgirl @UntaggedTransmitter no, akkoma has the full MRF framework with all of the things i listed

Ariadne Conill 🐰:therian:

@ionizedgirl @UntaggedTransmitter (though akkoma seems to be kinda dead anymore)

Packets From The Void

@ariadne @ionizedgirl
Akkoma existing is pretty much the whole reason I see Pleroma derived software as worth looking at. It would almost certainly be my software of choice if I was standing up a new fediverse instance at this point.

Ariadne Conill 🐰:therian:

@UntaggedTransmitter @ionizedgirl i wouldn't bother. when i ran pleroma.site, the database broke several times, and it took *days* to rebuild it each time.

Packets From The Void

@ariadne @ionizedgirl
Sad to hear that akkoma is looking dead.

Also, I didn't know you ran pleroma.site, I had an account there for a bit!

Ariadne Conill 🐰:therian:

@UntaggedTransmitter @ionizedgirl mastodon is pissing me off to the point that i'm likely to make my own soon. part of my reason for using mastodon was to motivate me to build something from scratch.

@ariadne @delta @ionizedgirl pleroma forces all posts to pass a validation function before storing it in the db. you still only get what is supported by it though. unsupported params are dropped.

Ariadne Conill 🐰:therian:

@tusooa @delta @ionizedgirl yes, which just makes me wonder why it still has this terrible object store design

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@ariadne

Interesting thread.

How does Glitch-soc stack up?

cc: @jerry @paco