When I was growing up, I heard lots of talk about Hitler. "How could anyone have listened to that madman rant and have believed what he said?" people would ask, shaking their heads sadly.
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Angelika Wienertreplied to William Lindsey :toad: last edited by
You're right about business elites, about parts of the military etc..
But:
He hadn't the backing of the Catholic church.
In the suburb where I live Cardinal Graf von Galen preached against euthanasia and Nazi agents stood in the church (with hats and they didn't kneel, so everyone in the church knew who they were). With euthanasia started it in 1939 Aktion T4 T for Tiergartenstraße 4.
Saint Victor Dom, Xanten: graves of catholic martyrs of this time.
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teacher_rickreplied to William Lindsey :toad: last edited by
@wdlindsy I am a history teacher; my parents were born in the interbellum and lived in the Netherlands during WWII (15 and 18 in 1940) ; we have all of their knowledge and memories - and I can’t understand why people still are so, so stupid, 100 years later.
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Dave Goldsmithreplied to William Lindsey :toad: last edited by
Trump taught me too that Hitler wasn't a uniquely German problem.
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66gardenersreplied to William Lindsey :toad: last edited by
@wdlindsy
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floydgumpreplied to William Lindsey :toad: last edited by
@wdlindsy In the name of greed some will sell their soul to Satan.
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KChernecky For Harris 2024replied to William Lindsey :toad: last edited by
@wdlindsy It makes me sad to know there are so many people in this world who are filled with such hate
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SoGeneris for Harris/Walzreplied to William Lindsey :toad: last edited by
@wdlindsy Yes. To think it could never be us is to miss the point entirely.
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William Lindsey :toad:replied to SoGeneris for Harris/Walz last edited by
@SoGeneris Precisely. And I'm astonished that when the parallel is so clear, many still want to quibble and miss the point with endless discussions of when fascism is "really" fascism, and whether it's Hitler or Mussolini or neither that Trump is like, and so on. Missing the point entirely….
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William Lindsey :toad:replied to KChernecky For Harris 2024 last edited by
@PeasLuvnJustice Me, too. Such a waste of energy tht could be used constructively.
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William Lindsey :toad:replied to floydgump last edited by
@gumpfloyd For sure.
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William Lindsey :toad:replied to 66gardeners last edited by
@66gardeners And, yet, in my experience, they almost never have any shame at all about their atrocious decision — and I suspect the same was true of the vast majority of those who supported Hitler in Germany.
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William Lindsey :toad:replied to Dave Goldsmith last edited by
@Dave_Goldsmith Well-stated. Exactly so.
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William Lindsey :toad:replied to teacher_rick last edited by [email protected]
@teacher_rick Thank you. Still so, so stupid sums it up very well. The siren call of xenophobia and racism, the need to consider oneself better than a targeted minority community, the need to scapegoat: these remain so stubbornly strong in so many people.
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William Lindsey :toad:replied to Angelika Wienert last edited by
@haiku_shelf @DP0 @CatDragon Certainly some Catholics resisted, and courageously. I think of Austrian lay martyr Franz Jäggerstätter. But that's far from the whole picture. Strongly Catholic areas of Bavaria voted resoundingly for Hitler. My husband's cousins in an almost totally Catholic village in Baden tell him many villagers there today descend from fellow Catholics who gleefully took part in the events of Kristallnacht, burning the synagogue, then sending Jewish citizens to be murdered.
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William Lindsey :toad:replied to xs4me2 last edited by
@xs4me2 Well-stated. Very good analysis. And, indeed, who would have thought it can return so soon? The blacklash after the election of the first African-American president in the U.S. — so strong and, for many, so unexpected.
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William Lindsey :toad:replied to Matthew Loxton last edited by
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Matthew Loxtonreplied to William Lindsey :toad: last edited by
@wdlindsy
Adding slightly to this thought - we are facing problems and have developed tools and methods that can no longer be addressed by the childish way we have previously done.Things like just releasing products, tools, or methods on society and then fixing the damage afterwards will not do anymore. Things need to be tested and evaluated BEFORE release, because the stakes have grown too big. Facebook, for example, should never have been allowed without an adult evaluation of risk
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Angelika Wienertreplied to William Lindsey :toad: last edited by
My grandfather (1890 - 1982) voted for Zentrum (Catholic Party). And then...... no votes for Zentrum were counted anymore... He had voted but as result there were 0 votes...
My husband's grandfather was several times in Gestapo prison because he criticized the dictator in public several times and died short after the war (and there is evidence that there is a connection between his time in prison and his health).
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66gardenersreplied to William Lindsey :toad: last edited by
They should be ashamed and be shamed.
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66gardenersreplied to William Lindsey :toad: last edited by
Which means we should say
#WeHaveTheChanceToNotReelectHitlerFor years ago at a YMCA, I said those words in conversation to someone I was talking to. I was reported to management and when it was time to renew for the month, they would not let me renew until I was counseled.
I haven't been back since and won't unless trump loses. I love their pool in the winter.