devils panties 12/23/2024
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If a 100% of Nazis are historically conservative or conservative-adjacent, it is a conservative thing to do. That’s not stating all conservatives are automatically Nazis. In this case though, I’d probably just say it’s a very Nazi thing to do.
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Okay so we're talking about the difference between "All squares are rectangles" and "Not all rectangles are squares."
What you initially said, and what I offered a "conservative/Nazi" counterpoint to, is "Rectangles doing square things is such a rectangle thing to do," when most rectangles are not squares.
This is the epitome of a straw man argument.
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getting into a logical argument over a figure of speech is such a lemmy thing to do~~
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Not a figure of speech. It's the difference between substantially accurate and propaganda.
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Thanks for the correction!
Getting upset over a minor critique of the status quo-upholding elements within liberalism is, ironically, a very liberal thing to do.
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Are "they" in the room with us right now?
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"My liberal friends aren't like this, therefore no liberals are"
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Creating imaginary enemies is how the conservative cope with their worsening life
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Russian collision says what?
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You understand the person they were replying to used their own anecdotal observation to characterize liberals in general, right? They were providing counterexamples.
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That is such a [redacted] thing to do
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This message isn't directed strictly at you, OP, it's just an argument I find myself repeating and it aligns with what you're saying.
Social security, job security, livable wages, class solidarity and affordable universal healthcare are all very much self-serving goals. Even if you care nothing about the poor, the sick, the unemployed or anyone else, the security and benefits you gain from socialised bargaining power will most likely benefit you.
Unless you're born rich enough that none of these things matter to you, you'll probably never ascend into that class either. Hard work alone doesn't get you wealthy any more, it just makes you a more exploitable slave.
If you want a better life, progressive economic ideals are the best wagon you can jump on. Forget about religion, immigrants, race, trans bathrooms and all that - we can sort that out separately, but economic policy at least will unambiguously serve you too.
Note on the last bit: I expect that improving material conditions will lower the resistance to improvement of social conditions too and rob bigotry of much of its fuel.
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I would argue even the person born rich enough that none of it matters personally to them still are better off because they simply cannot micromanage all the little benefits a well run society gives. They will still be rich and have more money than they can personally spend but everything around them will be improved. their whole enviroment even if its beyond their domocile. its like why do rich folks love to hang around europe and if they do hang around the us oftentimes its in major cities. if being rich and alone was ideal they would all have michael jackson ranch situations.
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I meant the type of rich that you can't get without massive exploitation, the "If I paid people livable wages, my wealth would collapse" type of rich, know what I mean?
But you raise a good point. That is a distinction to be made.
