devils panties 12/23/2024
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No, no, no. You don't get to pretend that what you originally said was something else entirely.
Liberals saying they support unions and strikes, and then complaining about strikes interrupting commerce and shipping for their own entitled reasons is such a liberal thing to do.
Those types of ultralibs aren’t well liked even in liberal circles, and they are a rarity.
Your first comment was a blanket statement. Your second comment tried to walk that back into a very specific statement. Those are two entirely different things, and your pretending they aren't instead of admitting you were wrong in the first case is telling.
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I mean… that is a very liberal thing to do. I wasn’t saying every liberal is like that. I’m saying that kind of behavior falls in line with liberalism.
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So is it "liberals" doing "such a liberal thing to do" or only what "ultralibs" who "are a rarity" do?
Those are different. You're talking out of both sides of your mouth.
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They’re both liberals. Everything I’ve said still applies.
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Conservatives marching down the street carrying Nazi flags is such a conservative thing to do then, yes?
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I love that you snarked your way into understanding what they were saying
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Not all conservatives are Nazis, but chances are pretty high based on history that all Nazis are conservatives.
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So would you say that the statement "Conservatives marching down the street carrying Nazi flags is such a conservative thing to do" is substantially true or substantially false?
Maybe a better distinction would be "accurate or misleading".
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If a 100% of Nazis are historically conservative or conservative-adjacent, it is a conservative thing to do. That’s not stating all conservatives are automatically Nazis. In this case though, I’d probably just say it’s a very Nazi thing to do.
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Okay so we're talking about the difference between "All squares are rectangles" and "Not all rectangles are squares."
What you initially said, and what I offered a "conservative/Nazi" counterpoint to, is "Rectangles doing square things is such a rectangle thing to do," when most rectangles are not squares.
This is the epitome of a straw man argument.
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getting into a logical argument over a figure of speech is such a lemmy thing to do~~
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Not a figure of speech. It's the difference between substantially accurate and propaganda.
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Thanks for the correction!
Getting upset over a minor critique of the status quo-upholding elements within liberalism is, ironically, a very liberal thing to do.
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Are "they" in the room with us right now?
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"My liberal friends aren't like this, therefore no liberals are"
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Creating imaginary enemies is how the conservative cope with their worsening life
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Russian collision says what?
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You understand the person they were replying to used their own anecdotal observation to characterize liberals in general, right? They were providing counterexamples.
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That is such a [redacted] thing to do
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This message isn't directed strictly at you, OP, it's just an argument I find myself repeating and it aligns with what you're saying.
Social security, job security, livable wages, class solidarity and affordable universal healthcare are all very much self-serving goals. Even if you care nothing about the poor, the sick, the unemployed or anyone else, the security and benefits you gain from socialised bargaining power will most likely benefit you.
Unless you're born rich enough that none of these things matter to you, you'll probably never ascend into that class either. Hard work alone doesn't get you wealthy any more, it just makes you a more exploitable slave.
If you want a better life, progressive economic ideals are the best wagon you can jump on. Forget about religion, immigrants, race, trans bathrooms and all that - we can sort that out separately, but economic policy at least will unambiguously serve you too.
Note on the last bit: I expect that improving material conditions will lower the resistance to improvement of social conditions too and rob bigotry of much of its fuel.
