People focus on Hitler and Nazi leaders and the atrocious lethal lies they told to justify the mass murder of Jews.
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@AGT Thank you very much.
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lolonursereplied to William Lindsey :toad: last edited by
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Or simply not want to get involved, so turn the other way & 'not see anything'.
My family had lots of friends and neighbors until Hitler... then suddenly, many of them no longer knew "Die Jüden". Some even apologized for no longer being able to talk to them. -
lolonursereplied to William Lindsey :toad: last edited by
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This is exactly what my grandfather told us from the time we were very young. I already was aware that it could happen again, here, or anywhere, by the time I was 5. I knew the dates my grandfather came to NY, then my grandmother & mother 6 months later. I knew which aunts & uncles & cousins had been murdered. A lot for a kid to learn, but it made me know how horrible hate is. -
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But there were also people who helped Jewish people. I had a cousin (German Jew) who escaped from CC, fled to Denmark & was part of the underground. You would never have imagined it - he was mild, quiet, gentle. He never spoke about it. I only knew because my grandmother told me. And the only Danish words he ever spoke were things meant to amuse us kids. -
Mastodon Migrationreplied to William Lindsey :toad: last edited by
Thing is, these guys, mostly white males, are seeing their position of preference in society eroded. While most people see the lessening of deference to their priviledged status as a good thing, they are horrified by the prospect of competing on a more even playing field. So, they are easy targets for the hate merchants who promise them they are in fact superior and being unfairly deprived of their rightful place in society.
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Chris Turnbowreplied to William Lindsey :toad: last edited by
A person giving orders is just talking to themselves, without those willing to obey those orders...
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The Danes were super wonderful!!!
95% of Denmark's Jews were saved through dangerous evacuations by sea.
https://www.bbc.com/travel/article/20231002-gilleleje-denmarks-seaside-town-that-saved-danish-jewsRescue of the Danish Jews
The rescue of the Danish Jews In World War 2. Learn how a specific set of circumstances enabled nearly all of Denmark’s Jews to survive the Holocaust
Imperial War Museums (www.iwm.org.uk)
The Lesson of Denmark's Unparalleled Effort to Save Its Jewish Population During World War II
At the height of World War Two, Denmark dramatically saved the vast majority of its Jewish population from the Nazis
TIME (time.com)
Why 90 Percent of Danish Jews Survived the Holocaust | HISTORY
Denmark is the only nation in Western Europe that saved most of its Jewish population from the Nazis.
HISTORY (www.history.com)
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BassRck5000replied to William Lindsey :toad: last edited by
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Inherent human nature...
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@Npars01 @lolonurse @wdlindsy The Finnish people as well. Incredibly brave and fierce
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@lawyersgunsnmoney @lolonurse @wdlindsy
Finland: It's complicated.
https://variety.com/2024/artisans/global/klaus-haro-never-alone-1235740230/Astonishing Story of Survival by Jews of Finland - Atlanta Jewish Times
The history of the Jews of Finland that John Simon relates in his new book, “Strangers in a Stranger Land,” is an extraordinary tale of Jewish survival during World War II.
Atlanta Jewish Times (www.atlantajewishtimes.com)
Holocaust rescues: Countries and communities that prominently resisted Nazi efforts to deport their Jews
From Italy to Denmark to Albania, a Look at Those Countries Which Helped Rescue Victims of the Holocaust
Haaretz.com (www.haaretz.com)
Factsheet on the Roma Genocide in Finland - Roma Genocide - www.coe.int
Factsheet on the Roma Genocide in Finland
Roma Genocide (www.coe.int)
Escape From the Holocaust: The Fate of Jews in Finland
Escape From the Holocaust? The Fate of Jews in Finland and other Scandinavian Countries: Featuring former U.S. Ambassador to Finland James E. Goodby as well as several prominent scholars on the history of the Holocaust-era in Scandanavia
Wilson Center (www.wilsoncenter.org)
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Susan60replied to William Lindsey :toad: last edited by
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Unfortunately “never again” has come to mean that such a thing could not ever happen again because of what we’ve learned as a result. But if we’re not encouraged to analyse & compare, to use critical thinking skills, then it’s not just possible, it’s likely. -
@Npars01 @lolonurse @wdlindsy I compare them with the French. ‘Nuff said
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William Lindsey :toad:replied to Susan60 last edited by
@Susan60 I agree. Very well-stated. You put the point precisely.
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William Lindsey :toad:replied to Nicole Parsons last edited by
@Npars01 @lawyersgunsnmoney @lolonurse Thank you for these valuable links.
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William Lindsey :toad:replied to BassRck5000 last edited by
@BassRck5000 Yes, and also inherent in human nature is the drive to collaborate, to assist each other, to build together, to form social units to protect each other, and so on.
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William Lindsey :toad:replied to Chris Turnbow last edited by
@cturnbow That's right. A Hitler — or a Trump and Vance — would never get anywhere without lots of people willing to swallow lies and to follow commands to hate.
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William Lindsey :toad:replied to Mastodon Migration last edited by
@mastodonmigration Yes, that definitely plays a role, and the gender breakdown we see in the pro-Trump vote as polls expose that tells us this, for sure. I ask, though, why according rights to people long denied them — in this case, women — erodes the rights of the rest of us — in this case men. I agree that a lot of men have chosen to view women's reception of rights in that zero-sum way. But I don't think this is an accurate assesment on their part of what's happening in the world.
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William Lindsey :toad:replied to lolonurse last edited by
@lolonurse Have I mentioned to you before Daniel Mendelsohn's book The Lost. It's truly one of the most powerful books I've ever read. From the time he was a young teen, Mendelsohn was driven to try to find out what happened to family members in Eastern Europe during the Holocaust. His book recounts the story of his years of searching for information — and what he found. If only more of us chose to learn what your grandfather taught well: how horrible hate is.
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William Lindsey :toad:replied to lolonurse last edited by
@lolonurse That's right. And I have to say, this dynamic is not far from my own experience and history. Growing up in the Civil Rights period in the American South and seeing acts of violence against Black people even right in my own community, I saw many "good" people turn their heads, pretend not to see. It can be revelatory to see who will not stand with you when you're attacked, when they day before, they claimed to be a friend.
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BassRck5000replied to William Lindsey :toad: last edited by
@wdlindsy
Tribalism