People focus on Hitler and Nazi leaders and the atrocious lethal lies they told to justify the mass murder of Jews.
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William Lindsey :toad:replied to Piousunyn last edited by
@Piousunyn Yes, exploiting emotions of fear and ginning up hostility about differences perceived as negative is the name of the game.
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William Lindsey :toad:replied to Andrew last edited by
@serendip1959 Yes — every bit in the same way that Trump and Vance are doing right now.
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William Lindsey :toad:replied to Escarpment last edited by
@escarpment Yes, stigmatization works to motivate hate precisely because people see it as seemingly justified — due to the drumbeat of lying propaganda building on longstanding social tensions. It's about defining us, the ones holding the power over the stigmatized others, as the righteous and good, and those others as the bad. When we set up that dynamic, anything we do to "them" no matter how evil and barbaric is justified in our minds.
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@AGT Thank you very much.
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lolonursereplied to William Lindsey :toad: last edited by
@wdlindsy
Or simply not want to get involved, so turn the other way & 'not see anything'.
My family had lots of friends and neighbors until Hitler... then suddenly, many of them no longer knew "Die Jüden". Some even apologized for no longer being able to talk to them. -
lolonursereplied to William Lindsey :toad: last edited by
@wdlindsy
This is exactly what my grandfather told us from the time we were very young. I already was aware that it could happen again, here, or anywhere, by the time I was 5. I knew the dates my grandfather came to NY, then my grandmother & mother 6 months later. I knew which aunts & uncles & cousins had been murdered. A lot for a kid to learn, but it made me know how horrible hate is. -
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But there were also people who helped Jewish people. I had a cousin (German Jew) who escaped from CC, fled to Denmark & was part of the underground. You would never have imagined it - he was mild, quiet, gentle. He never spoke about it. I only knew because my grandmother told me. And the only Danish words he ever spoke were things meant to amuse us kids. -
Mastodon Migrationreplied to William Lindsey :toad: last edited by
Thing is, these guys, mostly white males, are seeing their position of preference in society eroded. While most people see the lessening of deference to their priviledged status as a good thing, they are horrified by the prospect of competing on a more even playing field. So, they are easy targets for the hate merchants who promise them they are in fact superior and being unfairly deprived of their rightful place in society.
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Chris Turnbowreplied to William Lindsey :toad: last edited by
A person giving orders is just talking to themselves, without those willing to obey those orders...
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The Danes were super wonderful!!!
95% of Denmark's Jews were saved through dangerous evacuations by sea.
https://www.bbc.com/travel/article/20231002-gilleleje-denmarks-seaside-town-that-saved-danish-jewshttps://www.iwm.org.uk/history/rescue-of-the-danish-jews
https://time.com/6332953/denmarks-effort-to-save-jewish-population-world-war-ii/
https://www.history.com/news/wwii-danish-jews-survival-holocaust
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BassRck5000replied to William Lindsey :toad: last edited by
@wdlindsy
Inherent human nature...
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@Npars01 @lolonurse @wdlindsy The Finnish people as well. Incredibly brave and fierce
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@lawyersgunsnmoney @lolonurse @wdlindsy
Finland: It's complicated.
https://variety.com/2024/artisans/global/klaus-haro-never-alone-1235740230/https://www.atlantajewishtimes.com/astonishing-story-of-survival-by-jews-of-finland/
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Finland
https://thejewishindependent.com.au/report-finnish-soldiers-participated-mass-murders-jews-ww2
https://www.coe.int/en/web/roma-genocide/finland
https://www.wilsoncenter.org/event/escape-the-holocaust-the-fate-jews-finland
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Susan60replied to William Lindsey :toad: last edited by
@wdlindsy
Unfortunately “never again” has come to mean that such a thing could not ever happen again because of what we’ve learned as a result. But if we’re not encouraged to analyse & compare, to use critical thinking skills, then it’s not just possible, it’s likely. -
@Npars01 @lolonurse @wdlindsy I compare them with the French. ‘Nuff said
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William Lindsey :toad:replied to Susan60 last edited by
@Susan60 I agree. Very well-stated. You put the point precisely.
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William Lindsey :toad:replied to Nicole Parsons last edited by
@Npars01 @lawyersgunsnmoney @lolonurse Thank you for these valuable links.
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William Lindsey :toad:replied to BassRck5000 last edited by
@BassRck5000 Yes, and also inherent in human nature is the drive to collaborate, to assist each other, to build together, to form social units to protect each other, and so on.
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William Lindsey :toad:replied to Chris Turnbow last edited by
@cturnbow That's right. A Hitler — or a Trump and Vance — would never get anywhere without lots of people willing to swallow lies and to follow commands to hate.
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William Lindsey :toad:replied to Mastodon Migration last edited by
@mastodonmigration Yes, that definitely plays a role, and the gender breakdown we see in the pro-Trump vote as polls expose that tells us this, for sure. I ask, though, why according rights to people long denied them — in this case, women — erodes the rights of the rest of us — in this case men. I agree that a lot of men have chosen to view women's reception of rights in that zero-sum way. But I don't think this is an accurate assesment on their part of what's happening in the world.