I think it's going to be more important than ever that #Mastodon and the #fediverse are not centrally operated out of the US like almost every other social media platform out there.
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@Gargron Couldn't agree more. US is not the only country on earth.
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@luca @Gargron I suspect the EU in general is suddenly realizing the dangers of being so reliant on the US as a defense and trading partner, and certain parts of the EU becoming emboldened to push a bit quicker down the path to fascist rule (without looking at any of the consequences). Supporting a social media platform sadly won't align with either imperative
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what got us into this mess is centralized social media
decentralized social media that is a serious player on the world's stage is the solution
however, you are correct that supporting a platform (or rather, this is a protocol) might not mean much. because
1. we are too tiny to matter now
1. if we ever could grow as big as we needed to be to matter, it might be too lateworth a try though
but we need to get very serious about it, very quick
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@benroyce @Offbeatmammal @luca @Gargron I feel like if this fediverse is to grow and thrive it needs to be more than just a confederation.
It feels like the first US Republic/Constitution.
I feel like we need some way to be more united without being more centralized.
I'm not sure what that looks like or how to do it. More shared governance maybe? Idk.
But the racism here is the first roadblock to growing, I think. I'm not sure how to fight it one server at a time.
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Raccoon at TechHub :mastodon:replied to Eugen Rochko last edited by
@Gargron
Yeah, this is what I was saying a few days ago. TechHub will likely be moving our server to Canada, but I worry about the smaller servers run by a single person in the US, where that might not be an option. -
@Gargron You aren't wrong.
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@philip_cardella @benroyce @Offbeatmammal @luca @Gargron A pact. Addition to mastodon covenant? https://joinmastodon.org/covenant Something like that. Controlled by the victims of racism.
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@cohentheblue @philip_cardella @Offbeatmammal @luca @Gargron
Yes
An extension to the mastodon server pact
Representing simple good governance
No bigots (same as we have)
No plutocrats (so that's a no to threads and bluesky, something we don't have yet, but we can make)
Other foundational things
All in the service of making it so appealing no one wants to be on centralized shit
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@benroyce @cohentheblue @Offbeatmammal @luca @Gargron I feel like there needs to be some entity that provides enforcement of a limited set of civility expectations.
A moderating entity over multiple platforms. Maybe it has first crack at potential offending posts and the server the offender is on has veto power.
The uneven enforcement of moderating is a major problem.
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@philip_cardella @cohentheblue @Offbeatmammal @luca @Gargron
good point, but i'd like to abstract from it:
moderation is per server. that doesn't mean you couldn't have the same mods on multiple servers. or you could have individual mods on individual servers, but they are all in this mastonserverpact+, that binds them to a code of mod conduct
it doesn't need to be centralized top down control, in fact i think that's counterproductive
it just has to be voluntary coordinated agreement
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Oliphantom Menacereplied to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 last edited by [email protected]
@benroyce @philip_cardella @cohentheblue @Offbeatmammal @luca @Gargron Shared governance of the network, and indeed enforcing certain standards of behavior as well as sharing moderation by applying consistent standards, these were all goals of "Island Networks."
The only catch? Allowlist-based. Because you fundamentally can't enforce what other instances do in a denylist-based federation.
The problem is that we can't speak for—or influence—the entire network. I can't control what happens on a random server, and I can't control your experience on a server that federates with it. I can only control what happens on my server.
But what if we could do more? What if we could take responsibility for the entire network because every member of the network has opted-in and agreed to abide by certain rules?
Islands: An Opt-In Federated Network
What if we were all just a bunch of allowlist-only servers talking to each other, in the process creating an entirely new network? A pr...
The Oliphant (writer.oliphant.social)
This is what Cohost emigres did with the "Website League"
The Website League
The Website League: it's like a confederation of independent websites in here.
(websiteleague.org)
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argumento :socialiststar:replied to Eugen Rochko last edited by
@Gargron Maybe stop blocking and shadowbanning pro-Palestine accounts. Oh, that's right, you can't read this because I'm blocked from being read on mastodon dot social. You pompous, self-aggrandizing nerd.
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@Gargron sad but true!
