I think it's going to be more important than ever that #Mastodon and the #fediverse are not centrally operated out of the US like almost every other social media platform out there.
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@Gargron we really need EU to help in this
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@Gargron Yeah so please block out Threads
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@Gargron I hate it when I read „Twitter/X has become so bad, now go use Bluesky“. No, Bluesky is not the solution, it’s (going to be) a part of the problem.
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@Gargron hang on, aren't you the boy that said it was a Big W that people can follow the US president from Fedi?
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@davey_cakes I am for interoperability. That is the underlying principle of the fediverse and how all the Mastodon and non-Mastodon platforms on the fediverse talk to each other.
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@Gargron well I would politely suggest that standards of conduct and safety are going to mean more to people than interoperability over the next while.
Perhaps now is a good time to address how to make the out-of-the-box Mastodon experience one where people aren't exposed to white nationalists by default.
You have a chance to do something.
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@davey_cakes Improving the moderation experience by allowing admins to subscribe to shared blocklists is something we're planning for our next release, 4.4.
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@Gargron I'm aware, but is that largely streamlining an existing practice which people still need to be here a while to understand?
I've used shared blocklists.
I'd like the company to explicitly direct people to block lists of known problem servers, will that happen?
Will we move beyond the likelihood of what happened the DAIR server happening again, where people join Fedi on the promise of how progressive it is, and get put on blast by neonazis?
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@Gargron Couldn't agree more. US is not the only country on earth.
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@luca @Gargron I suspect the EU in general is suddenly realizing the dangers of being so reliant on the US as a defense and trading partner, and certain parts of the EU becoming emboldened to push a bit quicker down the path to fascist rule (without looking at any of the consequences). Supporting a social media platform sadly won't align with either imperative
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what got us into this mess is centralized social media
decentralized social media that is a serious player on the world's stage is the solution
however, you are correct that supporting a platform (or rather, this is a protocol) might not mean much. because
1. we are too tiny to matter now
1. if we ever could grow as big as we needed to be to matter, it might be too lateworth a try though
but we need to get very serious about it, very quick
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@benroyce @Offbeatmammal @luca @Gargron I feel like if this fediverse is to grow and thrive it needs to be more than just a confederation.
It feels like the first US Republic/Constitution.
I feel like we need some way to be more united without being more centralized.
I'm not sure what that looks like or how to do it. More shared governance maybe? Idk.
But the racism here is the first roadblock to growing, I think. I'm not sure how to fight it one server at a time.
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Raccoon at TechHub :mastodon:replied to Eugen Rochko last edited by
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Yeah, this is what I was saying a few days ago. TechHub will likely be moving our server to Canada, but I worry about the smaller servers run by a single person in the US, where that might not be an option. -
@Gargron You aren't wrong.
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@philip_cardella @benroyce @Offbeatmammal @luca @Gargron A pact. Addition to mastodon covenant? https://joinmastodon.org/covenant Something like that. Controlled by the victims of racism.
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@cohentheblue @philip_cardella @Offbeatmammal @luca @Gargron
Yes
An extension to the mastodon server pact
Representing simple good governance
No bigots (same as we have)
No plutocrats (so that's a no to threads and bluesky, something we don't have yet, but we can make)
Other foundational things
All in the service of making it so appealing no one wants to be on centralized shit
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@benroyce @cohentheblue @Offbeatmammal @luca @Gargron I feel like there needs to be some entity that provides enforcement of a limited set of civility expectations.
A moderating entity over multiple platforms. Maybe it has first crack at potential offending posts and the server the offender is on has veto power.
The uneven enforcement of moderating is a major problem.
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@philip_cardella @cohentheblue @Offbeatmammal @luca @Gargron
good point, but i'd like to abstract from it:
moderation is per server. that doesn't mean you couldn't have the same mods on multiple servers. or you could have individual mods on individual servers, but they are all in this mastonserverpact+, that binds them to a code of mod conduct
it doesn't need to be centralized top down control, in fact i think that's counterproductive
it just has to be voluntary coordinated agreement
