Preventing child sex abuse must involve treating pedophiles, even past offenders, say experts - CBC Radio

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There isn’t really an option with no costs to them, though, is there? You have people who are attracted to children, and people who have abused children (maybe or maybe not while young themselves). Child abuse gets near-universal bad reviews, so you’re left with a trolley problem in the end where you need to find the least harmful, most fair solution. Someone is going to pay something.

You can make a deontological argument that anything medical is off the table, I guess, but deontology feels very unfair when you’re on the losing end of it - we brought in MAID to fix that, and homeless people are still often violating the law just by existing literally anywhere.

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There isn’t really an option with no costs to them, though, is there?

I mean isn’t this article what this is about? That there is a way to help rehabilitate these offenders without having them commit these crimes again or even for the first time? The article begs the question in asking “Why aren’t we exploring how successful this would be if we used it on a larger scale?”. Which is a fair question to ask.

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I suppose it depends how effective this actually is. I’m kinda skeptical that you can talk someone out of being a pedophile, or into being less of a pedophile. That’s not usually how sexual preferences work (mandatory note that most preferences are harmless; some people try to muddy the waters).

We haven’t even seriously tried it, though, because the politics of it are very bad. That’s definitely dumb.

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Pedophiles although superproblematic, are surprisingly not the group of people that do the most child molesting. In most cases, the offenders are sexual predators attracted mainly to adults that focus on children because they’re an easier target, not because they are optimally attractive to them. Very often they are people from the child’s family.

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I didn’t take this as a method of changing sexual preferences. But rather a way to help these people avoid acting on these “urges”.

But yes, I do agree that it really depends on how effective it actually is. It nay be that this is just a case of having a few good examples but will not reflect in a broad real life scenario.

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Yeah, they actually mention that in the article. And also that the most likely age for a person to abuse a child is 14, basically because they’re new to not being a child themselves.

That kind of brings up another question: should we gas people that target kids just because they can, then? Not that there’s really an effective way to filter out the actual pedophiles from the “pedos of convenience”.

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I think there are methods to filter them out - that’s how we know most child molesters are not actual pedos. Personally, I’m against gassing anyone and I’m for the approach suggested in the article.

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As to people who have paedophilic desire - rather than those who actually rape children - there wasa very interesting thread I read a while back, on Reddit I think, of “I’m a paedophile, AMA”. Very interesting to see the experience of a couple of people who have that attraction but choose not to molest children by acting on it.

Child sexual abuse is a very serious evil, but regarding attraction to children, I think treatment’s a very appropriate route.

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That’s entirely my point.

It doesn’t treat it. Not really.

It suppress urges. Chemically.

There are other options.

Counselling, therapy, groups like AA, all the examples I gave in my first post. Those are very available to other offending types. But for an SO they don’t exist, or would be very expensive, or difficult to navigate because of the stigma.

There’s nothing to make someone not gay, or not straight,or not attracted to children. But there are means of regulating thinking, compulsions, urges, etc.

The barrier is the stigma for treatments.

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Pedophiles will always exist. It’s the unfortunate truth. But if we can reduce the amount if children subjected to sexual assault or rape then we should absolutely explore it. That’s what this article is about. Removing the stigma for treatments that you accurately described as a barrier. How successful this approach is remains to be seen. But it’s a worthy and sound discussion to have. And who knows, if it kicks off maybe we can even have people treat it before they actually hurt a child. It’s a big maybe and will not happen for long time but we can try and make steps towards that goal.

There are more extreme methods such as chemical castration, sure. But that has its drawbacks as I mentioned in my comment above.

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Molesting a kid is molesting a kid, your motives don’t really change what happened. It is just as wrong regardless if it was out of convenience or premeditated. If you’re willing to molest a child, you are a pedophile.

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I’m assuming some kind of anonymity was involved in gathering the statistics. In court the incentives to lie are pretty different.

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Definitionally no, which we actually covered in some detail already here.

If you want to judge just by actions, that’s fair, and that’s the current approach. You do leave some prevention on the table, though, and you still have the “what to do with them now” problem.

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I think there are ways to psychologically assess an individual, so there’s no need to rely on self reporting.

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There are not. Not that I’ve ever heard of, anyway.

There’s genital arousal monitors that have been used historically, but it turns out they’re as good as random chance in practice.

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Not sure how your systems work in Canada but within US we are unable to provide social services to the more deserving people.

I don't see how this position within current socio economic conditions is viable.

Serial pedos gonna need to be disposed of.

The issue is that current regime protects them because they are in position of relative power like catholic clergy, teachers, political whores or just rich...

These people don't want even get in trouble for their deeds.

Family members get protected by the family a lot of times too lol

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So you’re on the “gas them” side, then. One issue there is that it’s against agreed to human rights principles, so we’ll either need to reconsider those, or come up with a consistent way of dismissing them (like we have in warfare). There’s also the slippery slope argument - maybe it’s pedos today, but what about normal killers, and then people who steal from charities and the vulnerable, and eventually just normal people we don’t like.

As for the politics: Lots of them are ordinary or poor. The vast majority, even. Hopefully you’re not on the QAnon thing.

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Pedophiles are pretty much the most hated group in society.

Not so. Some of them are lauded and widely admired by the populace as heads of congregations.

I mean, the priesthood is “club med” for pedophiles.

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Only as long as they can plausibly deny it.

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Most pedophiles are not child molesters. Most people who have sexually abused children are not pedophiles. Watch out for unconscious ableism.