Centrism

DerGottesknecht

Pretty fuckin insulting to tell me my father's degree doesn't matter.

To this discussion. Also, as you probably don't want to doxx yourself you can't cite him, i can't know if you're lying, so it's not relevant until you link a paper or something of his on this topic.

That initial article you posted which again has ZERO FUCKING SOURCES has been posted on multiple history subreddits as well as a few times on other more history specific forums/sites.

And the other sources are discredited by reddit too?

Also WW2 was/is a pretty fucking important time in the world history so it gets a lot of coverage. Especially what the Germans were doing leading up to the start of the war as it's kinda relevant to how the whole thing happened in the first place.

So it should be easy for you to cite sources which confirm that the Autobahn construction caused a major boost to the german economy comparable to the weapons industry.

The majority of Germans at the time didn't want to finish the Autobahn as it was seen as a waste of time and resources. Hitler was the one that saw the potential and pushed to make it happen.

Hitler appropriated already existing plans. Cite sources if you want me to believe this.

I came into a conversation where you were spreading myths and propaganda without sources but with a conviction. I assumed you just didn't know and send you the first article which google showed. I added further links to sources, which is more than you did.

Good people that helped many have also done bad things. Bad people who were evil have also done good things. The two are not mutually exclusive.

Show me where I disputed this claim. I also think its true, but your examples are trash.

I can admit that hitler did some good stuff, but the autobahns are not the example for it. Maybe animal protection laws, speed limits near schools and most of all, he's sabotaged the german war effort and was the guy to kill Hitler.

So get off your high horse and ask your dad for some sources.

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Yeah, i kinda missed the point there

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Average centrist

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when Im honest with people

Are these the same people who think a genocidal imperialist like Joe Biden is a "radical leftist?"

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If you have any proof that it exists, hey, I'm all ears.

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Vietnam is still developing so there is a lot of room for growth, but China already has a mountain of issues bubbling under the surface.

How well do you think your comment will age in 3 to 5 years?

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Pretty well. I'm not arguing China is perfect or anything, but they are at least capable of addressing a problem and moving on to the next one. Like, 50 years ago they were having trouble feeding people. Today, they're everyone's largest trading partner. That comes with it's own set of issues, but I think they have the capacity to work through it.

50 years ago, the United States was arguing about abortion and inflation. When I was in elementary school, it was with talk of school shootings on the news. Today, we're still arguing about abortion and inflation. Now I'm in the workforce and several generations have grown up with school shootings on the news. If China has issues "bubbling under the surface", then our issues have become gangrenous.

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no worries

DerGottesknecht

And thats wrong?

It works in the UK
https://jech.bmj.com/content/78/9/578

DerGottesknecht

You're talking about Germany? The final nuclear shutdown law came from CDU/FDP. And the problem with dispatch energy comes mainly from conservatives against power lines

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You're being purposely dishonest when you argue that the issues of the US 50 years ago are the same as they are today. Inflation isn't something that goes away. It's a necessity in for a growing economy. Abortion is politically still here but views on sexuality and women are not the same as it was 50 years ago.

Our issues are bad and still probably get worse before they get better but I still would not trade places with China. As I said it's easier when you are still a developing nation but their issues are not something you'd envy.

They have a real estate problem that can end their economy, a gender disparity due to their 1 child policy that will leave generations of men without any hopes of finding a partner, and they still get to deal with the same education inflation problem that exists everywhere: all children spending their whole lives studying to get into the few good universities but without that good job waiting for them.

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This comic will be a poor fit when people don't conversationally use horseshoe theory to compare the barely-existent US left (who support improvements that would help all demographics but which are somehow considered radical) to the aggressively hateful US right (who is now pretty sure they will get to see their favorite targets hauled away and deported or imprisoned depending on whether you mean brown people or queer folk).

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I guess only people to the right and left are valid. The right is bad, and the left is good. The rest? I guess we don’t count…

Somehow you seem to have misunderstood both actual horseshoe theory and the comic mockery of it.

psst: the center is the part between the two ends. That's what makes it the center.

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I blame the two party system in the US. It squishes all ideologies into a simple binary choice, and this bleeds into the political discourse even outside the US and especially online.

In my country we have a communist party which falls squarely in the conservative camp, wanting to return to the "good old days" before the revolution. It also has more support in the rural areas whereas cities trend more towards economic right.

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LoL

Tell it to what words mean

ObjectivityIncarnate

Wtf? We know where morality comes from.

Uh yeah, that was an analogy specifically referring to another situation where someone has a completely wrong idea about a topic (morality) and feels smug and self-assured when their 'target' doesn't fit within their framework. I wasn't agreeing with my hypothetical fundamentalist--you'd think me calling them a "fundamentalist" would make that kind of obvious, lol.

Another simple example would be people thinking global warming isn't a thing because it's cold somewhere.

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How about you spread information about everything the current administration does wrong to sway the public opinion. There is ton of material already and its been day 1. You jerking off to mass murder is working against your goals of a better society.

When we do that it gets hand-waved away as "TDS" or some equally trite nonsense.

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Sorry it came across like that, I was super tired. I think other commenters are right that authoritarianism sucks, whether it’s left or right.

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It also sucks when it's centrist. And guess what, your opinions are not less biased than anyone else, you are no more the arbiters of truth or justice than anyone else, you are no more "principled and unbiased" in you approach towards morality ethics and philosophy than anyone else. Don't be so goddamn arrogant.

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In the US, you mean? From the top of my mind, advocating for more market freedom - unrestricted capitalism is a mixed bag generally, but the Biden administration was price-fixing insurance in the wake of California fires, which is a degree of economical illiteracy approaching Soviet Union levels.