Centrism

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I dunno, human history is a story of conscious design and planning outperforming evolutionary systems.

China and Vietnam are doing pretty well with there mixed economies. Seems like they've harnessed the positive effects of market economies without giving up conscious control to a stock market that only makes decisions via short-term profits.

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A lot of countries went from monarchies to democracies peacefully

could you name one?

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Cool. I guess only people to the right and left are valid. The right is bad, and the left is good. The rest? I guess we don't count...

Gee sounds a little like a far right standpoint... That's so weird, they never go authoritarian!

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The left in the US has gone on record wanting to tax soda because it's unhealthy.

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You're thinking of the right. That's what the right does.

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Tuol Sleng was actually just a nice leftist resort.

Left or right doesn't matter... Authoritarianism is the enemy.

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Yes, you're correct. But this isn't the right platform to expect updoots for saying the correct thing.

This here is Lemmy... Founded by tankies, and unfortunately today tankies seem to be wanting their platform back. The may get it back, at this rate... Which sucks, because so many platforms these days are so insanely far-right.

There isn't really a home for many of us any longer. It's genuinely depressing... Just far right, and far left places, where the dumbasses of the world love to yell.

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Your argument is quite compelling, but I'm going to side with the person you're denigrating on this one. I'm sorry...

I'm just not very far-right... So I can't fully get into your mindset.

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I disagree strongly with this. You simply have no leg to stand on here.

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Pretty fuckin insulting to tell me my father's degree doesn't matter.

To this discussion. Also, as you probably don't want to doxx yourself you can't cite him, i can't know if you're lying, so it's not relevant until you link a paper or something of his on this topic.

That initial article you posted which again has ZERO FUCKING SOURCES has been posted on multiple history subreddits as well as a few times on other more history specific forums/sites.

And the other sources are discredited by reddit too?

Also WW2 was/is a pretty fucking important time in the world history so it gets a lot of coverage. Especially what the Germans were doing leading up to the start of the war as it's kinda relevant to how the whole thing happened in the first place.

So it should be easy for you to cite sources which confirm that the Autobahn construction caused a major boost to the german economy comparable to the weapons industry.

The majority of Germans at the time didn't want to finish the Autobahn as it was seen as a waste of time and resources. Hitler was the one that saw the potential and pushed to make it happen.

Hitler appropriated already existing plans. Cite sources if you want me to believe this.

I came into a conversation where you were spreading myths and propaganda without sources but with a conviction. I assumed you just didn't know and send you the first article which google showed. I added further links to sources, which is more than you did.

Good people that helped many have also done bad things. Bad people who were evil have also done good things. The two are not mutually exclusive.

Show me where I disputed this claim. I also think its true, but your examples are trash.

I can admit that hitler did some good stuff, but the autobahns are not the example for it. Maybe animal protection laws, speed limits near schools and most of all, he's sabotaged the german war effort and was the guy to kill Hitler.

So get off your high horse and ask your dad for some sources.

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Yeah, i kinda missed the point there

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Average centrist

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when Im honest with people

Are these the same people who think a genocidal imperialist like Joe Biden is a "radical leftist?"

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If you have any proof that it exists, hey, I'm all ears.

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Vietnam is still developing so there is a lot of room for growth, but China already has a mountain of issues bubbling under the surface.

How well do you think your comment will age in 3 to 5 years?

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Pretty well. I'm not arguing China is perfect or anything, but they are at least capable of addressing a problem and moving on to the next one. Like, 50 years ago they were having trouble feeding people. Today, they're everyone's largest trading partner. That comes with it's own set of issues, but I think they have the capacity to work through it.

50 years ago, the United States was arguing about abortion and inflation. When I was in elementary school, it was with talk of school shootings on the news. Today, we're still arguing about abortion and inflation. Now I'm in the workforce and several generations have grown up with school shootings on the news. If China has issues "bubbling under the surface", then our issues have become gangrenous.

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no worries

DerGottesknecht

And thats wrong?

It works in the UK
https://jech.bmj.com/content/78/9/578

DerGottesknecht

You're talking about Germany? The final nuclear shutdown law came from CDU/FDP. And the problem with dispatch energy comes mainly from conservatives against power lines

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You're being purposely dishonest when you argue that the issues of the US 50 years ago are the same as they are today. Inflation isn't something that goes away. It's a necessity in for a growing economy. Abortion is politically still here but views on sexuality and women are not the same as it was 50 years ago.

Our issues are bad and still probably get worse before they get better but I still would not trade places with China. As I said it's easier when you are still a developing nation but their issues are not something you'd envy.

They have a real estate problem that can end their economy, a gender disparity due to their 1 child policy that will leave generations of men without any hopes of finding a partner, and they still get to deal with the same education inflation problem that exists everywhere: all children spending their whole lives studying to get into the few good universities but without that good job waiting for them.